8                         PRESS CONFERENCE 
10                          UTAH'S FUTURE" 
16    Room 150A 
17    Salt Palace 
18    Salt Lake City, Utah 
19    June 30, 1997 
20    12:30 p.m. 
 1    June 30, 1997                           12:30 p.m. 
 3            ORRIN HATCH:  Utah was not ready for the 
 4    crime increase which came with our state's 
 5    phenomenal growth.  The purpose of this summit is 
 6    not to assign blame but to come together to 
 7    initiate the development and implementation of a 
 8    Utah blueprint to solve our crime problems.  I 
 9    believe we are beginning to turn the corner on 
10    crime.  Our coming together like this is a clear 
11    step in turning that corner.  Our blueprint against 
12    crime must be Utah's plan, not Washington's. 
13            Following the summit we will draft this 
14    blueprint -- blueprint.  Paul Cassell of the 
15    University of Utah, one of our brightest and best 
16    professors of law in the country, is serving as our 
17    secretary, and he is going to help to craft this 
18    blueprint.  Key participants will be involved in 
19    drafting this document. 
20            The federal government, however, must be a 
21    player, especially in light of the illegal alien 
22    problem.  And I am pleased that these federal 
23    officials have come here to listen and to work with 
24    us today.  We are very gratified to have them and 
25    we're very honored to have these great federal 
 1    officials.  These are the top people in federal law 
 2    enforcement in our country. 
 3            On this first day we've already seen some 
 4    positive developments.  Federal law enforcement 
 5    officials have agreed to assist in the 
 6    implementation of a long-term strategy to reduce 
 7    crime in Utah.  Attorney General Reno has announced 
 8    the establishment of the first ever project where 
 9    state and local law enforcement will be given the 
10    power to enforce federal immigration laws.  We will 
11    double the number of repatriation flights out of 
12    Utah to Mexico.  We will increase federal jail 
13    space from 75 beds to between 250 and 300.  In 
14    addition, the department will explore avenues to 
15    assist with the costs associated with construction 
16    and/or renovation of county facilities.  Efforts 
17    will also be made to ensure adequate jail space is 
18    guaranteed in southern Utah. 
19            We are also going to study placing 
20    federal -- a federal prison in Utah.  Should Utahns 
21    decide to support the idea of locating such a 
22    facility in Utah, the department has agreed to work 
23    with appropriate officials to study the possible 
24    locations in Utah and, of course, the possibility 
25    of bringing it here.  The Department of Justice 
 1    will initiate a multijurisdictional, quote, "Clean 
 2    Sweep," unquote, initiative to target criminal 
 3    aliens engaged in drug trafficking and violent 
 4    crime. 
 5            As part of this initiative we'll get three 
 6    new prosecutors and five new FBI agents and an 
 7    enhanced Drug Enforcement Administration presence. 
 8    Already Commissioner Meissner of the -- of the INS, 
 9    the Immigration and Naturalization Service, is 
10    saying that we'll get more and more help from the 
11    INS as well. 
12            Federal law endorsement presence will 
13    gradually increase in the coming years as Utah 
14    prepares for the Olympic games, and Director Freeh 
15    of the FBI has made that clear that they're already 
16    working on that, so we believe that will all be in 
17    place by the time we have our Olympics in 2002. 
18            Governor Leavitt today has announced a 
19    major voluntary initiative which is a truly 
20    positive development.  The governor has also called 
21    for a 1000 person increase in law enforcement and 
22    correction officers.  These are all first steps but 
23    they are very positive developments, and we are 
24    very, very happy to have these federal government 
25    people here today, the top people in law 
 1    enforcement in our country, and I'm sure they're 
 2    prepared to take any questions that you have. 
 3            So we'll turn the time over to you, and 
 4    you've got the Attorney General of the United 
 5    States, you've got the head of our Marshal Service, 
 6    you've got the director of the FBI Louis Freeh, 
 7    you've got the -- the administrator of the Drug 
 8    Enforcement Administration Thomas Constantine, 
 9    you've got the head -- the commissioner of the 
10    Immigration and Naturalization Services Doris 
11    Meissner, of course, our own wonderful Lieutenant 
12    Governor, and my own partner in crime back there in 
13    Washington.  And don't take that seriously but 
14    (laughter) some people do.  Senator Robert Bennett 
15    is a great, great asset to Utah and is helping us 
16    greatly in these areas, especially on the Senate 
17    Appropriations Committee.  So we'll be happy to 
18    take any questions you have. 
19            Yes. 
20            VOICE:  My question and for you, and -- 
21            ORRIN HATCH:  For me? 
22            VOICE:  Yes.  My first one, anyway. 
23            ORRIN HATCH:  Okay. 
24            VOICE:  And that's on the locating of the 
25    federal prison -- or the possibility of locating a 
 1    federal prison here in Utah.  If we could send our 
 2    prisoners who commit federal crimes and are 
 3    prosecuted as such to any federal prison, why would 
 4    we want to have a federal prison here? 
 5            ORRIN HATCH:  Well, because there needs to 
 6    be developed federal prisons.  Having one here 
 7    would be not only a -- a matter of prestige and a 
 8    follow onto Utah's desire to support law 
 9    enforcement in the country, but would also provide 
10    350 to 400 jobs in Utah as well as provide us with 
11    a means of having enough bed space and other 
12    detention space to be able to take care of the 
13    increased crimes that are occurring here as our 
14    population is increasing. 
15            One of the problems is that the federal 
16    government, in looking at these places, probably 
17    looks less at rural Utah than it would to being at 
18    or near major airports so we can transport those 
19    prisoners, but they may look at that as well.  And 
20    it will be up to the people here in Utah as to 
21    whether or not we -- we would entertain the idea of 
22    having a federal penitentiary here.  On the other 
23    hand, it would be a great -- a great privilege for 
24    Utah to do so. 
25            But that doesn't mean we'll get it, even at 
 1    that, it's just if -- if the people in Utah do 
 2    think that's a good idea, then we're certainly 
 3    going to make an effort to see if we can have one 
 4    here. 
 5            VOICE:  As Attorney General, this 
 6    establishment of a first-ever multijurisdictional 
 7    immigration working project, are we -- what is the 
 8    thrust of this here?  Are we talking about a 
 9    workplace freeze? 
10            JANET RENO:  What we're talking about is 
11    the frustration sometimes of a sheriff who picks up 
12    someone who he knows to be an illegal alien.  There 
13    is no one that can respond, or someone says "Well, 
14    we can't really do anything."  What we need to do 
15    is to work together first by drafting regulations 
16    to implement the act in the right way to make sure 
17    that there's proper understanding and training of 
18    the responsibilities involved, that there's close 
19    coordination, and then try to use the resources 
20    that we all have to enforce the laws of this 
21    country the right way. 
22            And if I may take just a moment, I'd like, 
23    also, Senator, to recognize Scott Matheson our U.S. 
24    attorney, who has done such a fine job. 
25            ORRIN HATCH:  You should be up here with 
 1    us.  We might have some tough questions for you. 
 2            VOICE:  Ms. Reno, you've announced 
 3    different ways in which the Justice Department will 
 4    be giving more resources to Utah.  Would you be 
 5    doing this if Senator Hatch weren't from Utah? 
 6            JANET RENO:  Well, when I came out here I 
 7    wanted to make sure, and I asked my staff to sit 
 8    down.  It's clear to me -- and what I've tried to 
 9    do is focus on communities.  As the crime rate has 
10    gone down across America I've tried to focus where 
11    there may be problems, to see what we can do 
12    working with state and local officials and citizens 
13    to turn it around.  And here, obviously, with the 
14    increase in population, the circumstances here with 
15    the increasing number of young people and with the 
16    fact that youth violence is a problem around 
17    America, and if you have an increasing number of 
18    young people that is going to exacerbate the 
19    problem in that community, I wanted to see what we 
20    could do and do it the right way.  And I 
21    specifically said, "Now, I don't want to do 
22    anything just because he's the chairman of the 
23    Judiciary Committee, I want to do it because it is 
24    right and because we have a wonderful opportunity 
25    to work with the people of the state of Utah."  And 
 1    all you have to do and look out there this morning 
 2    and see the great cross-section of people and 
 3    realize that this is a really splendid opportunity. 
 4            And, Senator, thank you for calling it. 
 5            ORRIN HATCH:  And we're happy to have you 
 6    here. 
 7            Yes. 
 8            VOICE:  This I suppose would be for either 
 9    Janet Reno or Doris Meissner.  Could you elaborate 
10    a bit more on the immigration project, what some of 
11    the local people might be doing in various types of 
12    tasks and how many local people would be involved. 
13    Would their -- would their authorization would be 
14    for a temporary period or an extensive period, 
15    would it have a deadline at the end of it?  Tell us 
16    a little bit more about how the whole thing will 
17    operate. 
18            JANET RENO:  First of all, the act passed 
19    last year authorized programs such as this and 
20    authorized the cross-designation.  A lot was put on 
21    the Immigration and Naturalization Service in terms 
22    of developing regulations that went into effect and 
23    have a dramatic and immediate impact on people, and 
24    so the first efforts have been -- of the INS have 
25    been to focus on those regulations. 
 1            They're in the process of developing the 
 2    regulations.  I can't give you the contours, but 
 3    Doris correct me if I'm wrong, but here are the 
 4    frustrations I see.  As a local prosecutor I would 
 5    have somebody identified as probably a drug dealer, 
 6    but there was insufficient evidence to charge them 
 7    when the case was finally reviewed by prosecutors. 
 8    I would love for that illegal alien, after they 
 9    have been appropriately identified and everything 
10    has been handled according to constitutional due 
11    process, to be immediately identified and removed 
12    from the country.  I think we can work with 
13    everybody concerned to develop a partnership so 
14    that we use state and local law enforcement 
15    properly trained under these regulations to do it. 
16    But as I said earlier, sometimes things don't move 
17    as fast in Washington as they do in Salt Lake City, 
18    but we're going to try to get these regs done as 
19    soon as possible. 
20            VOICE:  Will this pilot be the only pilot 
21    project or will there be other states involved? 
22            JANET RENO:  We are going to start with 
23    Utah and just -- and I'm even more convinced that 
24    this is the place to start after talking with 
25    people this morning.  I mean, there's such a good, 
 1    close working relationship.  And what impressed me 
 2    so much about law enforcement is that they 
 3    understand how important it is that we don't 
 4    profile people, that we don't pick on one group of 
 5    people, that we just take it based on the facts and 
 6    do it according to due process, do it with respect 
 7    to -- to the tradition of this nation as a nation 
 8    of immigrants and do it with regard to legal 
 9    immigration as well.  I think this can be a perfect 
10    place to do it and show that it can be done 
11    effectively and in the right way. 
12            VOICE:  Ms. Meissner, Commissioner 
13    Meissner, here in Utah, if I understand correctly, 
14    the INS has essentially got an unlisted phone 
15    number recently.  They changed their numbers and 
16    they aren't telling the public what it is, and 
17    they're closing down their office to the public one 
18    day a week, and they say they're just overloaded 
19    and can't do anymore.  Would you tell us if that's 
20    true and why and what -- what's happening to make 
21    them so overworked. 
22            DORIS MEISSNER:  You're talking now about 
23    an entirely different part of the operation than 
24    what we've been discussing this morning.  You're 
25    talking about our adjudicating applications.  We 
 1    have been overwhelmed here, as in other parts of 
 2    the country, particularly with Naturalization 
 3    applications, and that -- and we're talking now 
 4    about double and triple caseloads in -- in 
 5    Naturalization.  Our local office here went into 
 6    basically a stand-down position for a couple of 
 7    weeks in order to regroup and try to get on top of 
 8    the application load.  We are -- we definitely are 
 9    an organization that is open to the public, and we 
10    need to be answering all those questions.  We 
11    certainly want to be able to answer our telephones, 
12    and as soon as this very short period of cataloging 
13    the applications and being sure of what our 
14    workload is and how to tackle it is complete, we'll 
15    be publishing our phone numbers and we will be 
16    available for questions.  So we will be back in 
17    touch on that very quickly. 
18            VOICE:  Did I understand you that this 
19    stand-down with respect to applications doesn't 
20    affect the enforcement of -- of the law against 
21    illegal aliens? 
22            DORIS MEISSNER:  That's correct.  It has to 
23    do only with the Naturalization caseload.  We're 
24    temporarily unable to get on top of it. 
25            VOICE:  In protecting the constitutional 
 1    rights of the Hispanic U.S. citizens who do not 
 2    speak English, what is the Department of Justice 
 3    doing to ensure that they're not deported when U.S. 
 4    citizens are Hispanic and do not speak English? 
 5            JANET RENO:  In all of these situations we 
 6    want to make sure there is appropriate 
 7    communication, that if somebody is a permanent -- 
 8    legal permanent resident of this country or they're 
 9    a citizen of this country they're not focussed on 
10    inappropriately, and if there is some circumstance 
11    that causes their deportation to be considered that 
12    there is a full and fair review process so it 
13    doesn't happen. 
14            VOICE:  Could you define "appropriate." 
15            JANET RENO:  I'd have to define it in the 
16    absence of any specific occasion or circumstance. 
17            VOICE:  Several months ago Senator Hatch 
18    had you (inaudible) Trentadue's brother lives here 
19    in Salt Lake at the federal prison.  What is the 
20    progress on that, Janet? 
21            JANET RENO:  I had followed that case 
22    closely from the time it was first called to my 
23    attention to make sure that the civil rights 
24    division in the FBI followed up appropriately. 
25    Senator Hatch asked me to check into it again 
 1    earlier this spring, and we checked.  It is under 
 2    investigation.  And other than that I can't 
 3    comment. 
 4            VOICE:  Is that a separate investigation 
 5    from this? 
 6            JANET RENO:  No.  The grand jury 
 7    investigation is part -- is part of the criminal 
 8    investigation. 
 9            VOICE:  (Inaudible). 
10            ORRIN HATCH:  Not completely, because the 
11    grand jury meets so seldom that -- 
12            VOICE:  (Inaudible). 
13            JANET RENO:  Yes.  The Senator asked me to 
14    check into that.  He asked to make sure there was 
15    sufficient grand jury time, and I was told there 
16    was sufficient grand jury time. 
17            VOICE:  (Inaudible) 
18            DORIS MEISSNER:  It's always a tough 
19    question as to where you prioritize.  We will try 
20    and meet the needs as best we can.  I think that in 
21    government we often try to get by in the most 
22    efficient way possible, and -- and which causes 
23    some prioritization.  And, of course, we -- 
24    everyone would like additional staff, everyone 
25    would like additional attention.  Any staff that we 
 1    can get from the federal government will be greatly 
 2    appreciated.  We always work closely with the 
 3    legislature to try and meet the needs.  I don't 
 4    think that anyone is ever, ever fully satisfied 
 5    with the degree of staffing that we have, but I 
 6    think overall our employees work harder and 
 7    probably are the most dedicated in the country, and 
 8    so we get a lot of good effort out of employees we 
 9    have.  And is it ever enough?  No.  Could we always 
10    use more?  Yes.  But I think overall we are 
11    probably more productive than any other state. 
12            I don't know whether that totally answers 
13    your question. 
14            VOICE:  I guess my question is more 
15    directly:  Is this going to do anything but add to 
16    their workload?  I mean -- 
17            DORIS MEISSNER:  Let's let -- he has some 
18    more perspective. 
19            THOMAS CONSTANTINE:  Maybe.  The 
20    cross-deputization that was referred to before, the 
21    highway patrol troopers were given what's called 
22    Title 21 authority.  In essence it gives them the 
23    same authority in those circumstances as a DEA 
24    agent.  They go through a training program, they 
25    actually agree to certain limitations and liability 
 1    protection, which I think is very important both to 
 2    the troopers and to the state to protect the 
 3    troopers and for their own protection.  Their 
 4    workload would not change.  What happens is with 
 5    the uniform troopers in Utah and other places in a 
 6    course of conducting traffic investigations, very 
 7    often they find individuals that are wanted 
 8    sometimes for murders, sometimes for robberies, 
 9    oftentimes lately for drug violations, and as a 
10    result of that we're making the arrests for the 
11    drug violation.  Now with the new authority they 
12    not only can make an arrest for the state-level 
13    violation of that crime, which is I think, as you 
14    heard, because of prison capacity is a very 
15    difficult situation presently for the state of 
16    Utah, they can make that a federal violation of the 
17    law, and then there may be a better alternative for 
18    the resolution of the matter once convicted. 
19            It also gives not only the highway patrol 
20    but the state of Utah an opportunity to share 
21    adequately in the assets that are seized at that 
22    point.  As I think as the person in charge of the 
23    highway patrol has already mentioned, already there 
24    have been $10 million that has been seized by that 
25    particular agency.  By having Title 21 authority 
 1    that allows them then to take part in the asset 
 2    seizure.  That money goes directly to the State of 
 3    Utah, it's directly to the Utah Highway Patrol, the 
 4    criminal justice system.  So cross-deputization 
 5    really enhances the assets of the state, it doesn't 
 6    limit them. 
 7            DORIS MEISSNER:  That's where I think we'll 
 8    have a few extra staff, and we'll -- 
 9            VOICE:  (inaudible) -- for those law 
10    enforcement officers who are out in the street, 
11    what will they be able to do (inaudible) a green 
12    card? 
13            DORIS MEISSNER:  Well, I think we're 
14    talking about two different things here.  What Tom 
15    Constantine is talking about is what you've 
16    described.  What the Attorney General is speaking 
17    about is the Memorandum of Understanding that will 
18    follow the regulations on state and local law 
19    enforcement are still in the -- in the process 
20    of -- those regulations are still in the process of 
21    being written. 
22            And exactly those questions are the ones we 
23    need to answer:  What would be the extent of the 
24    authority of local law enforcement, what would be 
25    the type of training that we would provide?  It's 
 1    an extremely sensitive area.  And first and 
 2    foremost in our thinking is that we would be 
 3    certain to attach and properly be preserving the 
 4    rights and liberties of the people who are here. 
 5    We do know that in implementing any kind of sharing 
 6    of authority with state and local law enforcement 
 7    that we will need to be training local officials 
 8    very, very carefully, and the scope of what they 
 9    would be doing will have to be carefully defined. 
10    That's why we are suggesting the pilot, and we 
11    think Utah would be a good pilot for the reasons 
12    that the Attorney General explained, so that we 
13    test and be sure we have those straight. 
14            VOICE:  Some of the members of the Hispanic 
15    or minority communities say that they're not -- 
16    they're not part of this plan and they feel like 
17    they should be.  Do you plan on in inviting them in 
18    this plan? 
19            DORIS MEISSNER:  Yes.  We are still in 
20    the -- we are still in the conceptual stage.  We're 
21    still at the point of developing regulations and 
22    what the -- what the concept is.  As soon as we 
23    have that firmly established internally, we'll be 
24    reaching out and inviting them in. 
25            VOICE:  In that regard (inaudible). 
 1            DORIS MEISSNER:  Those recommendations have 
 2    to be published so the people can comment on them 
 3    so that everyone will have an opportunity to fully 
 4    participate and be heard. 
 5            VOICE:  When would that be? 
 6            DORIS MEISSNER:  We hope to be able to have 
 7    a draft of the regulation, as the attorney general 
 8    said, sometime this fall. 
 9            ORRIN HATCH:  We have got to get back into 
10    our conference. 
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