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Temple University

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania





         1               P R O C E E D I N G S

         2             MS. RENO:  Thank you, Dean.  It is

         3   a particular privilege to be here at Temple

         4   today.  For as I have told the Dean, in my

         5   experience as a Prosecutor in Miami, some of

         6   my best recruits came from Temple Law School.

         7             Then for an hour this morning, I

         8   met with the finest young students that I

         9   have talked to in a long time.  As I heard

        10   them engage in a dialogue on race and on the

        11   issues of race, their wisdom, their respect,

        12   their humor, their thoughtfulness, were just

        13   extraordinary, and as I told them, they were

        14   an example for the country.

        15             They talked about the importance of

        16   educating people about race.  But just as

        17   important, about learning how to interact

        18   with each other and building on that education.

        19             They talked about how we must not

        20   think just in terms of black and white, but

        21   of the whole, wide world, and they talked

        22   with rare eloquence about the need for

1 respect. 2 They reminded me all over again 3 that young people have a wisdom and have a 4 candor that all of us in Washington should 5 follow. 6 It is also a particular pleasure to 7 be here at Temple, today, because you have 8 set an example for the Nation in terms of 9 creating diversity. We know how important it 10 is to have a diverse community to avoid the 11 dangers of racial isolation. In education, 12 diversity adds to the experience of learning 13 and it provides a diverse talent pool that 14 enriches all walks of American life. 15 In the workplace, it contributes to 16 our economic strength and to business's 17 bottom line. 18 In law enforcement, diversity has 19 enabled our Nation's police departments to 20 better relate to and earn the trust of the 21 communities they are protecting. In our 22 councils of government, minority
1 representatives have brought great talent, 2 new voices, and new perspectives to the 3 table, and have improved the responsiveness 4 of government to all communities. 5 Here at Temple, you set the 6 example, where almost 30 percent of the 7 students are minorities. This is a campus 8 that seeks to unite, to educate all students 9 from all backgrounds and from all walks of 10 life and judging by the 30 representatives 11 that I met with, you have done a superb job 12 of that. 13 America's universities and colleges 14 have been, and they must continue to be, 15 places where people come together, where 16 students can learn from each other, and in an 17 atmosphere committed to education and to 18 tolerance. 19 As a Nation, we have made great 20 strides in broadening opportunities in higher 21 education. Since 1990, the number of 22 Hispanics enrolled in colleges and
1 universities has increased by 35 percent. 2 Asian-American enrollment has shown a 3 similar 35 percent increase. 4 Since 1990, African American 5 enrollment in higher education has increased 6 by 16 percent. The number of minorities 7 graduating from colleges and universities 8 across this Nation is also on the rise, and 9 this Nation is stronger and better for the 10 presence of the graduates from all of 11 our communities. 12 Diversity in a law school class 13 has meant a better education for all the 14 students involved, for education depends on 15 dialogue. To the professors listening, there 16 was some interesting commentary about the 17 wonderful dialogue that can get started in a 18 classroom at Temple. 19 There are some professors that let 20 it go and know that it will go to the 21 ultimate discussion of truth. There are 22 others that cut it off, a little bit
1 prematurely, and you can learn something from 2 your students because they treasure that 3 dialogue that has been generated in the 4 classroom of ideas, here at Temple. 5 It was exciting to hear just how 6 professors can contribute to that dialogue 7 and to improving it. 8 Exposure to different perspectives 9 is both enlightening and stimulating. To 10 listen to a young woman who came from an 11 all-white community, to Temple for the first 12 time, and all that she learned. Some 13 difficult, painful lessons, but she is 14 becoming a stronger person for the experience 15 at Temple. 16 It encourages students to ask 17 questions and to challenge themselves and to 18 challenge others. Students have developed, 19 from what I have seen, a mutual respect. 20 They have learned to communicate across 21 cultural barriers, and they have learned to 22 negotiate their differences.
1 I continue to believe that if the 2 setting in which students learn looks more 3 like the world in which they live, their 4 education will be stronger and better for it, 5 and they will be better prepared to 6 contribute to the whole world in which they 7 live and make it a stronger, better world and 8 a stronger and better community. 9 Minority students who are given the 10 opportunity to show what they can do, will do 11 well at school. They will graduate. They 12 will pass the bar. They will pass their 13 Boards. They will become lawyers, 14 prosecutors and judges. Because I have 15 watched it happen and I have watched the 16 beneficiaries of affirmative action 17 contribute so mightily to their communities, 18 after they have had the chance at affirmative 19 action. 20 They have helped, as they have come 21 into the communities, bring a strength, an 22 understanding and a credibility. They have
1 brought remarkable resources where they go to 2 live because they come as mentors, they come 3 as role models and they come as advocates for 4 those who previously never, ever had a voice 5 and who never believed that their dreams 6 could come true. 7 They now look at people who have 8 graduated, who have come back to their 9 communities, and they say, I can do that, 10 because somebody has forged a track before 11 them. I can make my dreams come true. 12 Then, the one who serves not just 13 as the role model, but as the advocate and 14 the mentor, can make it come true, even more 15 so. 16 I am concerned, however, that 17 future classes may not be able to benefit 18 from such a rich mixture of students that you 19 have had. In California, in the wake of 20 Proposition 209 and the debate on affirmative 21 action, there has been a drastic reduction in 22 the number of minority graduate and

1 undergraduate students at some of the State's

2 leading schools.

3 The University of California at

4 Berkeley and The University of California at

5 Los Angeles recently disclosed the racial and

6 ethnic makeup of their incoming classes.

7 Berkeley reported a 57 percent drop in the

8 number of accepted black applicants, and a 40

9 percent decline in the number of Hispanic

10 high school seniors who had been accepted for

11 admission.

12 At UCLA, the decline was 43 percent

13 for African-American students and 33 percent

14 for Hispanic Americans. This cannot be our

15 future.

16 Abraham Lincoln said that a house

17 divided cannot stand and that a Nation

18 divided cannot stand. We can't have a

19 divided Nation, part given access to the

20 finest educational opportunities and part

21 denied that access.

22 If we are going to learn to live


1 together as one society, appreciating the

2 magnificent differences amongst us, we must

3 ensure that all Americans share in the

4 educational opportunities that have been such

5 a critical, important part of the American

6 dream. If Americans are going to advance

7 together in a competitive world, we cannot

8 exclude from our institutions of higher

9 learning those who have so very much to offer

10 our Nation.

11 Like most of you and like most

12 Americans, President Clinton and I are

13 committed to the goal of achieving diversity,

14 including racial diversity, in our

15 institutions of public education. We support

16 the efforts of so many educators and colleges

17 and universities throughout the United States

18 who are well aware and who champion the

19 benefits to their students and their schools,

20 that flow from including in their student

21 body all of America.

22 We must ensure that our educational


1 institutions admit their students based on

2 the kind of persons they are and the kind of

3 contribution they can make, and not by test

4 and numbers that may not measure the true

5 potential of the person who is applying.

6 The importance of educating the

7 Nation about the facts of race in this

8 country cannot be overstated. But still,

9 there are those who condemn affirmative

10 action.

11 I say to them, Pause for a moment,

12 and consider how you got to where you are.

13 You may have been the beneficiary of the best

14 public school in the county. You may have

15 had tutors in math. You may have had lunch

16 with your Senator when you and your Dad

17 visited Washington when you were 16. You may

18 have gone to Europe on a high school

19 graduation gift.

20 Yet, I have talked to students in a

21 housing project in Atlanta, who dreamed of

22 going to Washington, and told me their dream


1 could never come true.

2 Or there may be the case of a

3 prominent doctor, who was a good friend of

4 your family's. He wrote a letter describing

5 what an extraordinarily capable and fine

6 young person you were and you got into

7 medical school, despite a mediocre grade

8 point average.

9 Too many children don't have the

10 doctors who will write the letter; don't even

11 have the doctors that provide preventative

12 medical care.

13 We are the beneficiaries, almost

14 all of us, of some affirmative action or

15 another. Actions that give each of us the

16 opportunity to be what we dreamed to be.

17 When I was 13, people told me that

18 ladies didn't become lawyers. Other people

19 encouraged me and told me that it was

20 possible.

21 A Dean at Harvard Law School

22 determined to admit women and I was one of 15


1 in an entering class of 544. When I

2 graduated from law school, one law firm

3 wouldn't give me a job. But 14 years later,

4 somebody engaged in some affirmative action

5 and gave me an opportunity.

6 All of us, one way or another, are

7 the beneficiaries of actions that help unlock

8 the potential of each one of us and give us

9 an opportunity to be what we can be, under

10 all the circumstances.

11 But, I suggest to you that we

12 cannot wait for affirmative action in law

13 school; we cannot wait for affirmative action

14 in the university. We have got to make sure

15 that our children, from the beginning, are

16 the beneficiaries of affirmative action.

17 That our children have the health

18 care they need to become strong and positive

19 human beings. That they have the educare and

20 the supervision in the early childhood years

21 that give the foundation for learning. That

22 they have education, no matter where they


1 live in their community, that prepares them

2 for the university and for the law school and

3 for the medical school.

4 That they have supervision

5 afternoons and in the evenings, that give

6 them a chance to grow in a strong and

7 positive way with good adult guidance.

8 As the students pointed out to me

9 in the session we had this morning, educate

10 all of us about race. Every single one of

11 us, including an Attorney General, have

12 something to learn about race, and we can

13 start in the schools.

14 Understanding that it is not just

15 black and white that are at issue. That it

16 is a group of people from all over the world,

17 that have so much to teach each one of us.

18 Let us think about educating our

19 teachers about race and how to teach students

20 about race.

21 Let us create opportunities in our

22 schools where people can interact with each


1 other, so that they can learn from each other

2 and let us learn to be candid and respectful.

3 Rather than saying that we are

4 color blind, let us start asking, Where did

5 you come from? Tell me about it? Let me

6 know about your traditions, and learn.

7 The schools can be a vital place

8 upon which we can gain the education that is

9 the foundation but also provide the

10 interaction which is so critical. But there

11 are communities where one young person says,

12 I was the only African-American in the whole

13 community. How do we learn? What do we do?

14 We have such challenges, but to

15 make this Nation what it can be, to unlock

16 the opportunity for all, we must figure how

17 we can bridge the gap and provide the

18 interaction and provide the understanding.

19 There are not many times when we

20 have the opportunity to improve upon the work

21 of our Founding Fathers. But in trying to

22 bridge the gap between the American ideals of


1 justice, freedom, and equality, and the

2 harsher reality of our daily lives, we do

3 have a chance, in these days to come, to make

4 ours a truly more perfect Union.

5 America's history on race includes

6 some of our most shameful and most violent

7 moments. But this country's epic civil

8 rights struggle and our efforts to redeem the

9 promise of our creed, in our efforts, we have

10 also witnessed some of the most heroic and

11 most uplifting moments.

12 In the last 40 years, our national

13 journey has taken us from segregated to

14 integrated classrooms; from Jim Crow laws to

15 civil rights laws for women, minorities, and

16 persons with disabilities; from literacy

17 tests for voting to the largest contingent

18 minorities in Congress. But 40 years after

19 Little Rock and Brown v. Board of Education,

20 discrimination and the corrosive effects of

21 racial prejudice are still with us.

22 To hear some of the students this


1 morning talking about the horrifying, private

2 racism that they have experienced is

3 something that is important for us all to

4 hear. To know that it has not vanished.

5 We cannot say that we have

6 completed our journey, when even today racial

7 and ethnic minorities, and many women, still

8 have a harder time getting a job, winning an

9 apartment, getting a loan, or getting into

10 college.

11 We have not completed our journey,

12 when the unemployment rate for African-

13 American males is still twice as high as it

14 is for white males.

15 We are faced with the paradox of

16 having come so far in eliminating blatant

17 bigotry in our laws and customs, only to be

18 confronted with less definable, and often

19 unconscious prejudices and stereotypes, which

20 in some ways can be more intractable.

21 The issues of race today are no

22 longer as stark as a whites only water


1 fountain, but they are no less real, and

2 perhaps, they are more critical today. They

3 are not always easy to talk about, but I have

4 just seen 30 young people talk with rare

5 eloquence about it, and I have come away a

6 better person for it.

7 Frank talk about race threatens

8 fragile sensitivities and political

9 correctness, and the issues are often hard to

10 resolve. Hard, but not unsolvable.

11 We have much to do, for too often

12 we live in our insular worlds with each of us

13 enforcing our own voluntary racial

14 separation. We pass each other on the

15 streets or in the shopping mall, but we don't

16 connect as individuals.

17 We work together or we go to school

18 together, and we don't connect as

19 individuals. We don't take the time between

20 classes to talk.

21 This week of campus dialogue gives

22 you a great opportunity. Take this chance to


1 reach out across racial differences and

2 learn. Take the small steps that are needed,

3 in our efforts to rebuild a sense of

4 community where diversity is valued and

5 intolerance is totally unacceptable.

6 Some people have criticized the

7 President's race initiative as a good deal of

8 talk and not enough action. Anybody that

9 heard the session this morning would say

10 those people are wrong.

11 We should not underestimate the

12 power of dialogue. A great deal can be

13 accomplished by sitting down, face-to-face,

14 and hashing out our ideas, our feelings, and

15 our differences in a setting of mutual

16 respect.

17 Fortunately, I see a change

18 underway, a change that you are a part of.

19 This country is changing the way it resolves

20 conflicts, the way it resolves disputes.

21 Lawyers, police officers, teachers

22 and students are learning skills by which


1 they resolve disputes in ways that they have

2 not known before. Lawyers, law students in

3 this law school, are becoming problem solvers

4 and peacemakers, as opposed to just being

5 litigators or advocates.

6 The lawyer as a problem solver and

7 a peacemaker can be a force for such

8 tremendous good.

9 I came to the Department of Justice

10 and there was no organized, as I call it,

11 appropriate dispute resolution program. But

12 we are engaged in an effort to train every

13 lawyer in the Department in how to resolve

14 conflicts in appropriate ways and in the best

15 interests of their client and the Nation. It

16 is fascinating to see how a lawyer acquires

17 that skill, but it is more than just

18 resolving conflicts. Lawyers must assume new

19 roles.

20 I always got frustrated, as a

21 prosecutor. My prosecutors would come

22 upstairs, they would be victorious. They


1 would feel they had really made the day,

2 gotten the conviction, sent an armed robber

3 to prison for 10 years. He had a drug

4 problem.

5 He was going to be out in three

6 years, because there were not enough prison

7 cells for a 10-year sentence, and there was

8 probably going to be nothing done to address

9 his drug problem. I didn't feel that we had

10 won.

11 Or the public defender would feel

12 victorious when he got his client off on a

13 Motion to Dismiss, and yet, as he turned and

14 watched him walk out of the courtroom, an

15 addict without treatment, he knew he was

16 walking into a greater prison than the prison

17 that he had saved him from.

18 Lawyers, whether they be

19 prosecutors or public defenders, trial

20 lawyers, or a transactional lawyer, have a

21 role to play in their communities as problem

22 solvers and peacemakers. One of the most


1 extraordinary experiences that I have had was

2 at another law school, at a listening

3 conference, with Native-Americans from the

4 northeastern part of the United States.

5 One stood up and said to me,

6 pointing at me, You are just interested in

7 putting blame on somebody or clearing them,

8 or determining that they are guilty or

9 innocent. Why don't you learn from us, learn

10 from our Sentencing Circles, learn from us

11 about what is necessary to find out what

12 caused the problem in the first place, and

13 solve it?

14 I have never forgotten that. They

15 said, What can you learn from us about being

16 the peacemaker, as opposed to the advocate

17 who is always stirring things up?

18 Now, I know full well that you

19 can't be a good peacemaker, and you can't be

20 a good dispute resolver unless you are ready

21 to go to trial and ready to take that case to

22 court.


1 So lawyers will have two hats, in

2 many instances, the peacemaker and the

3 advocate, but we have got to learn how to

4 provide that balance. We have got to look at

5 the issues that face the community.

6 How are we going to raise the

7 children in America today who do not have any

8 hope that their dream will come true? Who do

9 not have appropriate childcare? Who do not

10 have preventative medical care? Who do not

11 have anybody supervising them in the

12 afternoons and in the evenings, at 7 and 8

13 years old?

14 How are we all, in this room, and

15 all who are listening going to address that

16 problem in America?

17 Lawyers are setting about it.

18 Lawyers are reaching out to doctors. But we

19 have got to make sure that there is no child

20 in America that is left behind in terms of

21 giving them equal opportunity, not in law

22 school, not just at the university, but for


1 their life, and equal opportunity to grow in

2 a strong and a positive way.

3 I have a dream, and it has been

4 enhanced this morning by listening to the

5 students. That every teacher in our schools

6 today, in K through 12, learn how to resolve

7 conflicts in thoughtful ways.

8 That every teacher has the

9 capacity, learned in undergraduate school, to

10 teach children how to resolve conflicts

11 without knives and guns and fists. That

12 teaches children how to listen to each other;

13 how to communicate with each other; how to do

14 so by tone of voice, by body language, by

15 manner.

16 That teaches our children how to

17 solve problems together, rather than to get

18 into fights because they can.

19 How to develop respect between

20 races and people of different backgrounds.

21 How to talk with each other, so we understand

22 the beauties of race, as opposed to the


1 horrors of race.

2 Finally, I have a dream that every

3 police officer, going to basic law

4 enforcement academies across this Nation,

5 will be taught how to resolve conflicts. Not

6 with a billy club, but with voice. Not with

7 a gun, but with manner. Knowing that at some

8 point, there may have to be a gun or a billy

9 club.

10 But knowing that we can reweave the

11 fabric of community around all races, if the

12 police officer who is on the cutting edge of

13 so much in the community, is the healer and

14 the peacemaker and the problem solver, as

15 well as the enforcer.

16 One of the more wonderful

17 experiences I have had is to talk with three

18 young men, in South Boston, who had come to

19 tell the President of the United States, how

20 important community policing was to those

21 young men. They stood and told the President

22 how they had almost gotten into trouble, but


1 these two fellows had pulled them back, and

2 had made a difference in their lives.

3 Each of us can make a difference,

4 if we learn how, as well as our other roles,

5 to be the peacemaker and the problem solver.

6 This has been an extraordinary

7 morning for me. I take back to Washington

8 the wisdom of young people.

9 That is another thing we must do.

10 In whatever forum we seek to solve the

11 problems of our communities and our Nation,

12 we must involve young people in that effort.

13 Yesterday, we held a Symposium on

14 Alcohol Abuse and Crime. We had four young

15 people from the National Youth Network. One

16 of them became one of the spokesmen for the

17 group. They had the wisdom that these young

18 people had today.

19 When I go to a community, I talk to

20 young people and ask them what could be done

21 to prevent youth violence and youth crime,

22 and they talk to me, again with the wisdom of


1 youth. Saying something to do in the

2 afternoons; some adult who knows how hard it

3 is to grow up in America; some adult who

4 gives me a pat on the back when I deserve it,

5 and can give me a figurative kick in the

6 pants when I deserve that, as well. But

7 somebody who never puts me down, but always

8 is encouraging me.

9 If we have somebody like that, who

10 can bridge the gaps that racism has created,

11 and bring people together so that they can

12 appreciate their differences, we can come a

13 long way.

14 I speak to the students, now. Some

15 people ask about public service, and they

16 say, I don't want to get into it. If you

17 listen to what is going on in Washington,

18 why, with all that rhetoric, do people get

19 into public service?

20 I have been there a little over

21 five years, now. It has been one of the most

22 wonderful opportunities to serve that anybody


1 could have. It has been one of the most

2 wonderful opportunities to use the law to try

3 to help other people.

4 I urge the students to consider

5 public service, at least for a part of your

6 life. There is nothing more rewarding.

7 Sometimes, you get called before a

8 congressional committee, and you get

9 figuratively beat around the head. You sit

10 there and think: Is this what Hamilton and

11 Madison and Monroe had in mind?

12 Then, you realize that it is. That

13 democracy is not the most efficient form of

14 government, but it won't work without people

15 willing to try to make it work.

16 As you deal with all the issues

17 that will confront us in this next century,

18 consider public service. Consider how you

19 can reach out and help others, to heal the

20 horrifying effects of racism, and to bring us

21 to a new appreciation of the magnificent

22 diversity of this Nation, the magnificent


1 strength of this Nation, and the wonderful

2 opportunities it provides for so many.

3 Thank you for a wonderful,

4 wonderful day at Temple.

5 (Whereupon, the PROCEEDINGS were

6 adjourned.)


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