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UNITED STATES FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
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and
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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
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SHERMAN ACT SECTION 2 JOINT HEARING
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INTERNATIONAL ISSUES
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TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 12, 2006
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HELD AT:
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UNITED STATES FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION
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SATELLITE BUILDING, CONFERENCE ROOM C
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601 NEW JERSEY AVENUE, N.W.
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WASHINGTON, D.C.
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9:30 A.M. TO 4:00 P.M.
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Reported and transcribed by:
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Susanne Bergling, RMR-CLR
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MODERATORS:
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GERALD F. MASOUDI
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Deputy Assistant Attorney General
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Department of Justice
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and
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RANDOLPH W. TRITELL
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Assistant Director for International Antitrust
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Federal Trade Commission
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PANELISTS:
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Morning Session:
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Philip Lowe
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Hideo Nakajima
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Eduardo Perez Motta
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Sheridan Scott
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Afternoon Session:
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George Addy
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Margaret Bloom
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Paul Lugard
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James F. Rill
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P R O C E E D I N G S
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- - - - -
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MR. TRITELL: This must be some sort of record,
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a minute before we're supposed to start, a hush has
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descended upon the room. I don't have to tell everybody
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to get in their seats, so thank you, we are off to a
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good start.
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Good morning. I'm Randy Tritell, Federal
Trade
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Commission's Assistant Director For International
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Antitrust. I will be co-moderating this morning's
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session along with Gerald Masoudi, Deputy Assistant
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Attorney General for the Department of Justice, which is
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co-sponsoring these hearings with the Federal Trade
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Commission.
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As you know, the FTC and the DOJ strive
to
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allocate matters efficiently consistent with our
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respective highest and best uses. In that spirit, it
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falls to me to open this morning's hearings by sharing
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the following four insights.
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One, please turn off your cell phones,
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Blackberries and other devices. Two, the restrooms are
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outside the double doors and across the lobby. There
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are signs to guide you. Three, in the unlikely event
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the building alarm sounds, please proceed calmly and
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quickly as instructed. If we must leave the building,
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go out the New Jersey Avenue entrance by the guard's
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desk, follow the phalanx of FTC employees to a gathering
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point, and await further instructions. Four, although
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we would love to hear what you think of the interesting
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issues we will be discussing today, we cannot
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accommodate any comments or questions from the audience
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at today's hearing.
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I would also like to thank at least some
of the
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people who have put in a tremendous amount of work to
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organize this hearing today. From the Department of
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Justice, Joe Matelis, Gail Kursh, Ed Eliasberg and
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Brandon Greenland, and from the Federal Trade
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Commission, Patricia Schultheiss, Doug Hilleboe,
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Elizabeth Argeris and Ruth Sacks, as well as the staffs
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of the International Divisions of both agencies.
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We are honored to have assembled for this
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morning's session a distinguished panel of senior
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officials from several of our fellow competition
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agencies from around the world. They will discuss how
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their agencies apply their antitrust laws to single-firm
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conduct and alleged abuses of dominance.
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Our panelists this morning are Philip Lowe,
the
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Director General for Competition of the European
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Commission; Hideo Nakajima, the Deputy Secretary General
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of the Japan Fair Trade Commission; Eduardo Perez Motta,
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the President of the Mexican Federal Competition
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Commission; and Sheridan Scott, the Commissioner of
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Competition of the Canadian Competition Bureau.
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I would now like to turn over the podium
to my
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co-moderator, Jerry Masoudi.
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MR. MASOUDI: Thank you, Randy.
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Welcome to today's session in our ongoing
series
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of panels on single-firm conduct. The Department of
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Justice Antitrust Division and the FTC are jointly
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sponsoring these hearings to help advance the
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development of the law under Section 2 of the Sherman
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Act.
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We have had a number of previous sessions.
On
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June 20, we had a session that included opening remarks
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from FTC Chairman Debbie Majoras and Assistant Attorney
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General Tom Barnett of the Antitrust Division, as well
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as comments from Dennis Carlton, who will soon be a
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Deputy Assistant Attorney General at the Department of
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Justice, and Herbert Hovenkamp.
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On June 22nd, we had panels on predatory
pricing
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and predatory buying, and then on July 18th, we had a
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session on unilateral refusals to deal. Transcripts
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from these sessions are available on the DOJ and FTC web
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sites, and transcripts of this session and future
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sessions will also be made available.
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Today we will concern ourselves with how
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allegations of anticompetitive single-firm conduct are
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treated in jurisdictions outside the United States and
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related international issues. This morning we will be
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hearing from our panel of distinguished enforcers, and
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then in the afternoon, we will hear from practitioners
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and academics active in the international area.
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First, we will have approximately 20 minutes
per
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panelist to give an opening presentation. We will then
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have a 15-minute break, and finally, we will have a
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moderated discussion period. Our discussion today will
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include an opportunity for our panelists to respond to
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each other's presentations. So, our first panel I think
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will end at about noon, and we will start back up after
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a lunch break at 1:30.
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I would like to join Randy in thanking
the
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staffs of the FTC and the Antitrust Division for helping
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put together today's presentation, and I will now turn
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it back to Randy to give a more detailed introduction of
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our panelists.
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MR. TRITELL: Before introducing our first
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speaker, I would just like to reiterate that the U.S.
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agencies consider these hearings to be extremely
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important. In particular, regarding today's session,
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given the large and increasing number of jurisdictions
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that apply antitrust laws to single-firm conduct and as
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commerce increasingly crosses national borders, it is
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fitting and important that we hear the views and learn
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from the experience of our international colleagues as
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we try to both broaden and deepen our understanding of
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the issues in this critical area.
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I am going to provide a brief introduction
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each of our speakers before their presentations, and I
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direct you to the more detailed biographical information
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in the packet outside this room.
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First we will hear from Philip Lowe, who,
again,
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is the Director General for Competition in the European
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Commission. Before his appointment to that post, Philip
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was first in private industry and then served in a
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variety of capacities in the European Commission,
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including as Director of the Merger Task Force of the
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Competition Directorate, head of the Cabinet of the
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European Commissioner for Transport, Director General
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For Development, head of the Cabinet of the Commission's
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Vice President, and the Acting Deputy Secretary General.
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Philip?
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MR. LOWE: Well, good morning, everyone,
and
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thank you, Randy and Jerry. I'm very grateful to
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Chairman Debbie Majoras and Assistant Attorney General
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Tom Barnett for giving me the opportunity to take part
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in this joint FTC-DOJ set of hearings on Section 2 of
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the Sherman Act. These hearings seem to reflect a
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strong interest throughout the world over the last few
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years in what you call single-firm conduct.
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At the International Competition Network's
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conference in Capetown last May, a new working group was
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launched on international conduct. The OECD has
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arranged round tables on issues related to single-firm
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conduct, and numerous conferences have had single-firm
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conduct appearing on the agenda.
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At the Commission, we have 40 years of
case law
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related to the application of Article 82 of the European
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Community Treaty. Article 82 is the treaty article
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prohibiting abuses of dominant position, so broadly
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equivalent to your Section 2, although as you realize,
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the European structure requires a firm to be dominant
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before it can be caught by any issue of abuse.
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Of course, we have recently been reflecting
very
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carefully on the coherence and the consistency of our
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policy under the Treaty and Article 82, and we thought
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it was a logical step, after having reformed or, say,
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modernized the application of Article 81, the article
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dealing with agreements and merger control regime, that
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we moved our policy in the area of Article 82 more
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towards an effects-based approach in line with what we
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have initiated under Article 81, the merger control.
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This required, nevertheless, a thorough review of the
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policy so far and, indeed, the case law which was at the
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back of it.
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The application of Article 82 was, I think,
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widely criticized as being fragmented without guiding
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principles and for applying in some instances general
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form-based criteria whose meaning was not always clear
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in specific cases. To that extent, this would cause
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Article 82 to be applied in cases where there would be
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not any sufficient likely or even actual restrictive
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effect on the market, and this would clearly be wrong.
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There was much concern from the business
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community about these false positives, so-called type
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one errors. Likewise, it is a mistake and would be a
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mistake if a form-based approach caused Article 82 not
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to be applied to the cases in which there was likely or
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actual harm to the market, false-negatives or type two
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errors.
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The vocal parts of business were perhaps
less
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concerned about these errors, but as an authority
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charged with, in principle, protecting consumer welfare,
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an objective which the Commission and in particular my
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Commission have underlined in the last few years, I
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believe we've got to be concerned about both types of
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errors, and this is a fundamental reason for our review
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of Article 82.
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After some initial internal debate, we
involved
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our colleagues in the national competition authorities
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in the EU Member States in discussions about the review.
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In December last year, we published a discussion paper
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on the application of Article 82 to exclusionary abuses,
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and we suggested what we regarded as a framework for the
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continued rigorous enforcement of Article 82, building
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on the economic effects-based analysis carried out in
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recent cases.
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The discussion paper aimed to describe
a
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consistent methodology for the assessment of some of the
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most common abusive practices, which you have already
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discussed in the context of these hearings, predatory
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pricing, single branding, tying and bundling and refusal
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to supply.
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Now, we didn't in the discussion paper
go
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through all the aspects of Article 82, and I haven't got
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time today either to go through every single aspect.
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You will notice that one major difference between the
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application of Section 2 and Article 82 is the explicit
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reference in 82 to exploitative abuses, which we have
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not dealt with in the discussion paper, and we have not
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taken a decision about whether we will deal with them in
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any guidelines at the present time. However, there is
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or there has been some comment from the public
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consultation that we should, in fact, clarify what our
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position is.
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What I would like to do first of all, however,
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is to emphasize some of the principles we set out in the
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section of the paper called "A Framework For Analysis of
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Exclusionary Abuses," and then I'll give you a flavor of
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what has been the reaction to the principles and to the
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methodologies outlined in the discussion paper during
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the public consultation, which has been in force this
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year.
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The paper I think for the first time makes
it
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clear that the main objective of Article 82 is to serve
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consumer welfare by protecting competition. We want to
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protect competition on the market, not individual
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competitors. The basic assumption is that the
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competition will benefit consumers and that limits on
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competition will hurt consumers. Of course, limits on
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competition should, therefore, in principle be
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prohibited unless it can be shown that efficiencies
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outweigh the loss of competition for consumers.
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Naturally, the paper states that we are
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concerned about likely and actual effects on consumer
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welfare in the short, medium and long term, and
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obviously the longer the conduct has been going on, the
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more we will concentrate on actual effects. So,
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consumer welfare we regard as the anchoring principle
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for our competitive analysis, and we do not enter much
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into what Debbie Majoras in her opening remarks at these
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hearings called "the search for the Holy Grail test,"
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and I agree entirely with her that the debate hasn't any
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dimension or it could run the danger of becoming too
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academic and losing practical significance.
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That's not the aim of the discussion paper.
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What we're attempting to do is to make a first
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contribution to establishing principles and
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methodologies which give clarity to business and the
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legal community on what policy will apply and guidance
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to those agencies, in particular in Europe, which we
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have to apply them.
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Now, there are two central questions which
the
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paper calls on us to ask. The first is, does the
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conduct of a dominant firm have the capacity to
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foreclose? This depends in good part on the form and
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nature of the conduct, whether it is positive or
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negative in its consumer effects. The answer to that
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question is fairly obvious if one is dealing with
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exclusive dealing. Sometimes it is less obvious to
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distinguish between the capacity to foreclose and any
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other effect, for example, in the case of rebates, and
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I'll come back to that in a moment.
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The second question we ask is does the
conduct
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have a likely or actual market distorting effect.
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Likely effects are, in our opinion, effects which in a
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specific market context are predictable on the basis of
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experience and/or a solid theory of economic harm. The
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likelihood and significance of foreclosure depends on
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factors such as preexisting market power and barriers to
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expansion or entry, the market coverage of the conduct,
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and in the case of selective foreclosure, the importance
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of the targeted customers or competitors.
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Actual effects are established on the basis
of
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evidence of market evolution in the past, and this
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doesn't necessarily involve complicated economic
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studies. It can be presented as facts which can be then
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investigated by the authorities on the basis of the
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evidence submitted to it.
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Now, coming back to rebates, as I mentioned
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earlier, it is not immediately obvious whether any
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particular rebates have the capacity to exclude. To
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answer that question, we first need to ask, exclude who?
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In the paper, we propose that for rebates as well as for
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other types of price-based conduct, the exclusion of as
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efficient competitors is abusive.
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Now, this is not the only test which can
be used
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to show abuse. It nevertheless appears to us in
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principle as a useful one, as it allows dominant firms
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to assess their conduct based on their own costs. A
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failed price/cost test is, of course, not the end of the
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analysis. We would still have to show a likely market
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foreclosure effect.
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And by the way, as public consultation
has
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shown, one test may not be the final answer to the
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analysis we need to carry out. There may be several
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tests which have been proposed which are relevant to a
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particular case. Nevertheless, we are comforted in the
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view that the benchmark of the efficient competitor on
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the market is one which is extremely important to judge
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the behavior of the dominant company against it.
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Now, the paper also states that if conduct
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clearly creates no efficiencies and only raises
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obstacles to residual competition, there is no need to
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carry out a full effects-based analysis. Such conduct
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can be presumed to be abusive. However, as with any
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presumption, the dominant company can, of course, rebut
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it by providing evidence that the conduct will create
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efficiencies, or as our case law refers to in the
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opinion of the court, is objectively justified.
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Now, exclusionary conduct could escape
the
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prohibition of Article 82 if the dominance undertaken
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can provide an objective justification for its behavior
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or if it can demonstrate that its conduct produces
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efficiencies which outweigh the negative effect on
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competition. There is an objective justification where
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the dominant company is able to show that the otherwise
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abusive conduct is actually necessary on the basis of
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objective practice external to the parties involved; in
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particular, external to the dominant company.
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The dominant company may, for example,
be able
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to show that the conduct concerned is necessary for
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safety or health reasons related to the dangerous nature
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of the product in question, but that necessity, that
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concept necessity, must be based on objective practices
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that apply in general for all undertakings in the
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market.
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Now, I want to come on to efficiencies.
The
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same conduct can, of course, have effects which enhance
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efficiency and effects which restrict competition, and
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in this paper we propose a weighing or balancing
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approach where efficiencies are balanced against the
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negative effects on competition, and that balancing
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exercise determines whether or not the conduct is
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abusive.
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Now, this test is important, and notwithstanding
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all the discussions about how efficiencies should be
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assessed and upon whom the burden of proof should lie,
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the one core element that I cannot see us moving away
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from is that fundamentally, there should be this
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balancing, and ultimately, that balancing of the
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efficiencies against the distorting effects is in the
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responsibility of the agency concerned, although you can
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argue the burden of proof of efficiencies on the side of
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the defendant must go beyond simple provision of
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evidence to actually argue why the behavior is necessary
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and why it is beneficial to consumers.
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The purpose of competition law should be
to
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maximize consumer welfare. Of course, consumer welfare
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can be harmed by inappropriate, disproportionate
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intervention by a regulatory body, but it can also be
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harmed by inappropriate reluctance to intervene. As I
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mentioned earlier, in working towards maximizing
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consumer welfare, we need to be as concerned about
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under-enforcement as over-enforcement, and we need to be
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as concerned by not giving up emphasis on efficiencies
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as we are by giving too much emphasis to efficiencies.
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Now, as to how we carry out this analysis
in
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practice, EC law already provides us with a framework.
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Certain types of conduct can be analyzed both under
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Article 81 and under 82. Consistency requires that the
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conditions for assessing efficiencies defense under 82
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be similar to what we have as a policy with respect to
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restrictive agreements under Article 81 and the
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exemptions under Article 81-3.
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The efficiencies must be realized or are
likely
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to be realized by the conduct. The conduct must be
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indispensable to realize the efficiencies. Overall,
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consumers should benefit from the efficiencies, there
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must be consumer buy-in, and competition shouldn't be
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eliminated as a result of the practices concerned.
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We also discussed the issue in the paper
of the
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extent to which -- the market power of the company, and
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here again, I think this is a departure for us as an
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agency. We identify in I hope a convergent way with
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U.S. thinking the concept of dominance mostly with the
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concept of significant market power. That market power,
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if it is very high, as indicated by the strength of the
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constraints upon the dominant company, may mean that we
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will have to undertake the balancing of efficiencies in
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a much more rigorous way if, indeed, the strength of the
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| 21 |
market power is very great.
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| 22 |
The burden of proving a capability to foreclose
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| 23 |
and the likely or actual foreclosure, and I emphasized
|
| 24 |
this before, it physically falls on the authority or the
|
| 25 |
plaintiff, but the burden of proving an objective
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justification for efficiencies should be on the dominant
|
| 2 |
company. Ultimately, however, the agency should carry
|
| 3 |
out the assessment, and that assessment in our system is
|
| 4 |
controlled by the courts as to whether we have actually
|
| 5 |
made that balancing in a way which doesn't project any
|
| 6 |
obvious misinterpretation of the facts or bad judgment
|
| 7 |
as to the likely effects.
|
| 8 |
Now, let me indicate some areas of reasonable
|
| 9 |
consensus internationally and in Europe as to the ideas
|
| 10 |
in the discussion paper. There's certainly some welcome
|
| 11 |
for the overall aim of clarifying the application of
|
| 12 |
Article 82 and for an effects-based approach. There's a
|
| 13 |
broad welcome for the clarification that the ultimate
|
| 14 |
objective is to protect consumers, and some commentators
|
| 15 |
have frequently had the impression that it was
|
| 16 |
otherwise.
|
| 17 |
There's broad consensus on the aim to protect
|
| 18 |
competition and not competitors, and an authority must
|
| 19 |
be free to act where harm remains likely but has not yet
|
| 20 |
materialized. We don't have to wait until a patient is
|
| 21 |
dead before we try to revive them. And there is an
|
| 22 |
emphasis throughout the commentary on the need for safe
|
| 23 |
harbors and presumptions of both legality and illegality
|
| 24 |
to ensure that the effects-based approach is applied in
|
| 25 |
a practical and operational way, but, of course, they
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| 1 |
have to be based on sound economic principles, and the
|
| 2 |
attempts to define the safe harbors shouldn't result in
|
| 3 |
more uncertainty than actually leaving the thresholds
|
| 4 |
outside any guidelines.
|
| 5 |
For example, if the pressure is an effects-based
|
| 6 |
approach to lower the safe harbor to a very restrictive
|
| 7 |
level in order to look at an operation in detail on the
|
| 8 |
basis of economic or econometric analysis, frequently we
|
| 9 |
are giving the impression that we would systematically
|
| 10 |
engage in very detailed economic effects-based analysis
|
| 11 |
above the safe harbor, and this has given rise to some
|
| 12 |
commentary that we have, in fact, tried to extend the
|
| 13 |
degree of the outreach of Article 82 as a result of the
|
| 14 |
proposed guidelines.
|
| 15 |
There are some difficult open questions.
We
|
| 16 |
consider the conduct that clearly creates no
|
| 17 |
efficiencies and only raises obstacles to competition
|
| 18 |
should be presumed to be abusive, but what are the
|
| 19 |
classes of conduct which are so nakedly abusive that we
|
| 20 |
have a per se rule prohibiting them? Similarly, conduct
|
| 21 |
which is clearly competition on the merits should be
|
| 22 |
legal, but we have the challenge of defining the
|
| 23 |
categories of the conduct which fall into that area as
|
| 24 |
well.
|
| 25 |
When it comes to price-based conduct, how
far
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should we rely on price/cost tests? What are the
|
| 2 |
alternatives to the price/cost tests? How exactly
|
| 3 |
should they be formulated? For example, we need to show
|
| 4 |
profit sacrifice to prove predation. Nothing like a
|
| 5 |
tongue-twister. Is profit sacrifice also an appropriate
|
| 6 |
test for other price-based conduct, for instance,
|
| 7 |
rebates?
|
| 8 |
There is a lot of commentary in the U.S.
about
|
| 9 |
the explicit need for a recoupment test in predation. I
|
| 10 |
have to say that we're quite sensitive to that comment,
|
| 11 |
our traditional view being that if we have a good story,
|
| 12 |
a robust story, about the dominance of a company, then
|
| 13 |
it should be capable of recouping. However, depending
|
| 14 |
on the predictability and the operationality of any
|
| 15 |
methodology we announce in guidelines, we are certainly
|
| 16 |
giving thought to the need for an explicit recoupment
|
| 17 |
test.
|
| 18 |
The role of the so-called "meeting competition
|
| 19 |
defense" is most clear when it comes to price
|
| 20 |
discrimination. In the U.S., you have even stated
|
| 21 |
explicitly, you have got it in the acts. It makes
|
| 22 |
perfect sense that a company can argue that the reason
|
| 23 |
it charges different prices to different customers is
|
| 24 |
that competition forces it to do so, but it's much less
|
| 25 |
clear what the meeting competition defense should have
|
22
| 1 |
as a role beyond price discrimination.
|
| 2 |
For example, I'm not sure it should be
a defense
|
| 3 |
in itself when a company argues that it is losing money
|
| 4 |
on particular sales by charging prices below avoidable
|
| 5 |
costs because competition forces it to do so. That begs
|
| 6 |
the question why the company wants to make those sales
|
| 7 |
at all. It may have a good reason for doing so, but it
|
| 8 |
seems to me that that reason then should be the defense,
|
| 9 |
not the meeting competition defense.
|
| 10 |
The reactions to our paper show definite
support
|
| 11 |
for efficiencies playing a role in the analysis, and in
|
| 12 |
that respect, there is an ongoing debate, which I hope
|
| 13 |
will end very quickly, on who should have the burden of
|
| 14 |
proof. All I can say is that the approach of expecting
|
| 15 |
an agency to analyze potential efficiencies is one which
|
| 16 |
is bound to fail because the agency has less information
|
| 17 |
than the companies who are arguing for the efficiencies,
|
| 18 |
and the approach that the -- well, that some say the
|
| 19 |
defendants should be balancing efficiencies against
|
| 20 |
distorted effects is equally unrealistic, because it is
|
| 21 |
the agency who has the major role in analyzing what the
|
| 22 |
likely distorted effects are.
|
| 23 |
I have only touched the surface, ladies
and
|
| 24 |
gentlemen, of the issues raised in our paper. It proves
|
| 25 |
I think that we are at the same degree of reflection,
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| 1 |
review, thorough review of our policy, as you are in the
|
| 2 |
States. All I can say is that the major challenges for
|
| 3 |
us are no longer in the area of general principles, but
|
| 4 |
in the area of balancing legal certainty,
|
| 5 |
operationality, against an effects-based approach which
|
| 6 |
gives a right answer and avoids type one and type two
|
| 7 |
error.
|
| 8 |
Thank you very much.
|
| 9 |
(Applause.)
|
| 10 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you very much, Philip,
for
|
| 11 |
getting us off to a strong start this morning.
|
| 12 |
I would now like to introduce our next
speaker,
|
| 13 |
Hideo Nakajima, Deputy Secretary General of the Japan
|
| 14 |
Fair Trade Commission. In that capacity, Mr. Nakajima
|
| 15 |
is in charge of international affairs, where he heads
|
| 16 |
the Japanese delegations to multilateral organizations
|
| 17 |
and bilateral consultations among competition
|
| 18 |
authorities.
|
| 19 |
Before joining the JFTC, Mr. Nakajima worked
|
| 20 |
with the Asian Development Bank in Manila as Assistant
|
| 21 |
to the President and Director General of Budgeting and
|
| 22 |
Personnel Management, and for the Ministry of Finance
|
| 23 |
where he served as Research Director of the
|
| 24 |
International Finance Bureau and Chief Planning Officer
|
| 25 |
of Japan's Fiscal Investment and Loan Program.
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| 1 |
Mr. Nakajima, the floor is yours.
|
| 2 |
MR. NAKAJIMA: Thank you very much. My name
is
|
| 3 |
Hideo Nakajima. I'm the Deputy Secretary General of
|
| 4 |
Japan's Fair Trade Commission. I am really grateful to
|
| 5 |
the Department of Justice and the Federal Trade
|
| 6 |
Commission for the invitation to participate in this
|
| 7 |
important panel. It's a great honor to be here.
|
| 8 |
I was asked by DOJ and FTC to talk about
|
| 9 |
specific examples of how JFTC applies our consumer
|
| 10 |
policy to single-firm conduct. In doing so, first let
|
| 11 |
me take a few minutes to briefly explain about our
|
| 12 |
general statutory or legal framework on the regulation
|
| 13 |
of single-firm conduct, since such framework, I believe,
|
| 14 |
looks different from that of United States as well as
|
| 15 |
that of the EU, and then I would like to present several
|
| 16 |
specific cases regarding single-firm conduct in our
|
| 17 |
nation.
|
| 18 |
So, first, let me explain the basic framework
of
|
| 19 |
our Antimonopoly Act, which is Japan's basic competition
|
| 20 |
law. In our country, single-firm conduct is regulated
|
| 21 |
by two different provisions. One is private
|
| 22 |
monopolization; the other is unfair trade practices.
|
| 23 |
First, private monopolization. Private
|
| 24 |
monopolization is prohibited in Section 3 of the AMA and
|
| 25 |
defined in Section 2 of the Act as those business
|
25
| 1 |
activities of a firm which brings about a substantial
|
| 2 |
restraint of competition in any particular field of
|
| 3 |
trade by excluding or controlling the business
|
| 4 |
activities of other firms.
|
| 5 |
Exclusion is interpreted as making it difficult
|
| 6 |
for other firms to continue their business activities or
|
| 7 |
preventing other firms from entering the market.
|
| 8 |
"Control" means to deprive other firms of their freedom
|
| 9 |
of decision-making concerning their business activities
|
| 10 |
and to force them to obey the controller's intents.
|
| 11 |
Regarding "substantial restraint of
|
| 12 |
competition," the Tokyo High Court opined that
|
| 13 |
"restraining competition substantially means bringing
|
| 14 |
about a situation in which competition itself has
|
| 15 |
significantly lessened and thereby a specific firm or
|
| 16 |
firms can control the market by determining freely, to
|
| 17 |
some extent, prices, qualities, volumes, and various
|
| 18 |
other terms on its or their own volition."
|
| 19 |
Unlike U.S. and EC regulations on single-firm
|
| 20 |
conduct, the provision of the AMA concerning private
|
| 21 |
monopolization does not refer to the position of a
|
| 22 |
relevant firm in the market. Therefore, in our legal
|
| 23 |
framework, dominant position of a firm or firm's
|
| 24 |
dominance is not a statutory prerequisite for
|
| 25 |
establishing private monopolization, and in determining
|
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| 1 |
whether a specific single-firm conduct falls under
|
| 2 |
private monopolization, that is, whether its specific
|
| 3 |
unilateral conduct has substantially restrained
|
| 4 |
competition in the market, various relevant factors
|
| 5 |
should be considered in a comprehensive manner. Those
|
| 6 |
factors to be taken into account would include market
|
| 7 |
characteristics, market shares, entry barriers, buyer
|
| 8 |
power as well as the relevant unilateral conduct and its
|
| 9 |
anticompetitive effects.
|
| 10 |
Of course, it would be quite natural to
presume
|
| 11 |
that a firm which can control the market with some
|
| 12 |
latitude of its own volition by excluding or controlling
|
| 13 |
the business activities of other firms usually has a
|
| 14 |
certain degree of market dominant position or
|
| 15 |
substantial market power. Actually, as we will see
|
| 16 |
later, that is the case for all the private
|
| 17 |
monopolization cases the JFTC has handled so far.
|
| 18 |
Regarding the remedial measures for private
|
| 19 |
monopolization, the JFTC is to issue an order to cease
|
| 20 |
the conduct of exclusion or control bringing about
|
| 21 |
private monopolization, and to take necessary measures
|
| 22 |
to restore competitive situation.
|
| 23 |
In addition, by the amendments to the AMA,
which
|
| 24 |
became effective at the beginning of this year,
|
| 25 |
administrative surcharges are now to be imposed on a
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| 1 |
firm in case of private monopolization caused by the
|
| 2 |
control of other firms' business activities. This is
|
| 3 |
because such controlling type of private monopolization
|
| 4 |
where the powerful firm dominates the business
|
| 5 |
activities of other firms in the market and thereby
|
| 6 |
control the prices, volumes of supplies, customers of
|
| 7 |
their relevant products or services is considered not
|
| 8 |
different from cartels in terms of its economic
|
| 9 |
consequences on competition in a market.
|
| 10 |
Criminal sanctions such as imprisonment
(up to
|
| 11 |
the maximum of three years) and fines (up to the maximum
|
| 12 |
of 5 million yen in case of natural persons and 500
|
| 13 |
million yen in case of legal persons) are applicable to
|
| 14 |
private monopolization like cartel cases. However, so
|
| 15 |
far criminal sanctions have never been imposed on any
|
| 16 |
private monopolization cases.
|
| 17 |
Another provision stipulating regulations
on
|
| 18 |
single-firm conduct in the AMA is unfair trade
|
| 19 |
practices, which are prohibited by Section 19 of the
|
| 20 |
AMA. Unfair trade practices refer to several specific
|
| 21 |
types of conduct designated by the JFTC in its
|
| 22 |
notifications as ones tending to impede fair
|
| 23 |
competition.
|
| 24 |
Among various types of unfair trade practices,
|
| 25 |
such as, one, unjust refusal to deal, two, unjust
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| 1 |
dealings on exclusive terms, three, unjust dealings on
|
| 2 |
restrictive terms, four, unjust low sales prices, five,
|
| 3 |
unjustly discriminatory prices, six, unjust tie-in
|
| 4 |
sales, and seven, unjust interferences with competitor's
|
| 5 |
transactions, can be considered to be used as means to
|
| 6 |
create or maintain monopolies by controlling or
|
| 7 |
excluding competitors, and regulations against those
|
| 8 |
types of conduct are aimed at preventing private
|
| 9 |
monopolization at an incipient level.
|
| 10 |
In this connection, let me just touch upon
the
|
| 11 |
multiple functions which the regulation on unfair trade
|
| 12 |
practice under the Act are to serve. That is, in
|
| 13 |
addition to supplementary function to regulations on
|
| 14 |
private monopolization, which I just referred to, unfair
|
| 15 |
trade practices regulate other types of single-firm
|
| 16 |
conduct, such as customer inducement by deceptive or
|
| 17 |
unjust benefits practices, and abuse of superior power
|
| 18 |
or what we call dominant bargaining position, which is
|
| 19 |
considered as undermining the very basis of fair
|
| 20 |
competition itself. Maybe it's better to briefly
|
| 21 |
explain here what dominant bargaining position means in
|
| 22 |
AMA to avoid possible misunderstanding.
|
| 23 |
The dominant bargaining position means
that
|
| 24 |
large-scale firm, like a large-scale retailer, has a
|
| 25 |
superior power in bilateral transactions with it's
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|
counterpart, like by small-scale supplier who is heavily
|
| 2
|
dependent on such large-scale firm for their business.
|
| 3
|
The large-scale firm does not necessarily have to be
|
| 4 |
absolutely dominant in a relevant market. In Japan,
|
| 5
|
abusive conduct by such dominant bargaining power, such
|
| 6
|
as coercive behaviors by large-scale retailer against
|
| 7
|
his small-scale suppliers heavily dependent on the
|
| 8
|
retailer have been a serious concern among the public,
|
| 9
|
and JFTC has recently dealt vigorously with those cases
|
| 10
|
among various types of unfair trade practice.
|
| 11 |
Anyway, a single-firm conduct falls under the
|
| 12
|
unfair trade practices, thereby prohibited, if such a
|
| 13
|
conduct is found to belong to any of these specified
|
| 14
|
conducts designated by the JFTC and to tend to impede
|
| 15
|
fair competition. "Tending to impede fair competition"
|
| 16
|
is assumed not to have comparable anticompetitive effect
|
| 17
|
to "substantial restraint on competition," which is
|
| 18
|
necessary for violation of the prohibition of private
|
| 19
|
monopolization.
|
| 20
|
As such, the regulations on the unfair
trade
|
| 21
|
practices are basically applicable to both "dominant"
|
| 22
|
firms and "nondominant" firms. However, regarding some
|
| 23
|
types of conduct designated by the JFTC as unfair trade
|
| 24
|
practices, for example, unjust dealing on exclusive
|
| 25
|
terms, whether a firm is "influential in the market" or
|
30
| 1 |
not, is considered.
|
| 2 |
According to the Guidelines Concerning
|
| 3 |
Distribution Systems and Business Practices issued by
|
| 4 |
the JFTC, whether a firm is "influential in a market" or
|
| 5 |
not is determined by, among other things, the firm's
|
| 6 |
market share or its market position. Here, in order for
|
| 7 |
a firm to be found influential, either the market share
|
| 8 |
of no less than 10 percent or the market position among
|
| 9 |
the top three is prerequisite.
|
| 10 |
Regarding remedies for unfair trade practices,
|
| 11 |
as in the case of private monopolization, a cease and
|
| 12 |
desist order, or order of taking elimination measures,
|
| 13 |
is to be issued, though unlike private monopolization,
|
| 14 |
neither of administrative surcharges nor criminal
|
| 15 |
sanctions are to be imposed.
|
| 16 |
Now, let me go to the enforcement activities
of
|
| 17 |
the JFTC on single-firm conduct regulations.
|
| 18 |
First, the private monopolization. Since
the
|
| 19 |
enactment of the AMA in 1947, the JFTC has found illegal
|
| 20 |
a total of 15 cases of private monopolization, and for
|
| 21 |
the last ten years, we have dealt with nine cases. Most
|
| 22 |
of the recent cases are excluding type of private
|
| 23 |
monopolization. On the other hand, for the last ten
|
| 24 |
years, we have handled a total of more than 200 cartel
|
| 25 |
cases.
|
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| 1 |
As already mentioned, whether some specific
|
| 2 |
single-firm conduct is found to fall under private
|
| 3 |
monopolization is to be determined by taking into
|
| 4 |
consideration various relevant factors comprehensively
|
| 5 |
on a case-by-case basis. However, in actual
|
| 6 |
enforcements, we have taken legal measures only for
|
| 7 |
those cases where substantial restraints of competition
|
| 8 |
in the market have been quite obvious. Let me take up
|
| 9 |
two examples.
|
| 10 |
The first one is the case against Paramount
Bed
|
| 11 |
Company, Limited (Paramount Bed), where the decision was
|
| 12 |
issued on March 31, 1998.
|
| 13 |
The relevant market of this case was the
one on
|
| 14 |
the hospital bed ordered by Tokyo Metropolitan
|
| 15 |
Government's Finance Department, and the Paramount Bed
|
| 16 |
held approximately 90 percent share in this market and
|
| 17 |
other two manufacturers held the rest. Seeing the whole
|
| 18 |
Japanese market of the hospital bed, the market
|
| 19 |
situation was not so different, and Paramount Bed
|
| 20 |
manufactured and sold the majority of hospital beds
|
| 21 |
ordered by the government or by local municipalities.
|
| 22 |
Under such a market condition, Paramount
Bed
|
| 23 |
approached the procurement officials to craft tender
|
| 24 |
specifications that would only apply to products
|
| 25 |
manufactured by Paramount Bed. By means of this
|
32
| 1 |
conduct, Paramount Bed was able to exclude the business
|
| 2 |
activities of other hospital bed manufacturers.
|
| 3 |
Also, in the situation that manufacturers
were
|
| 4 |
not allowed to participate in bids, Paramount Bed
|
| 5 |
controlled the business activities of bid participants
|
| 6 |
by choosing a successful bidder among the participants
|
| 7 |
who sell its beds, and by indicating respective bidding
|
| 8 |
prices to successful bidders as well as other bidding
|
| 9 |
participants. Moreover, Paramount Bed provided funds to
|
| 10 |
bid participants in order to ensure that those
|
| 11 |
participants would obey the instruction of Paramount
|
| 12 |
Bed.
|
| 13 |
The JFTC found that the conduct by Paramount
Bed
|
| 14 |
fell under the private monopolization, as it excluded
|
| 15 |
the business activities of other hospital bed
|
| 16 |
manufacturers and controlled the business activities of
|
| 17 |
its supplier and therefore substantially restricted
|
| 18 |
competition in the market by exercising the monopoly
|
| 19 |
power (dominance). Therefore, the JFTC ordered
|
| 20 |
elimination measures to Paramount Bed.
|
| 21 |
The second case is the one against Hokkaido
|
| 22 |
Shimbun Press, where the consent decision was issued on
|
| 23 |
February 28, 2000.
|
| 24 |
The relevant market of this case is the
daily
|
| 25 |
newspaper market in the Hakodate area, which is located
|
33
| 1 |
in the southern part of Hokkaido. Hokkaido Shimbun
|
| 2 |
published a general daily newspaper that accounted for a
|
| 3 |
majority of general daily newspaper publications in the
|
| 4 |
Hakodate area.
|
| 5 |
Under the market circumstances, when Hakodate
|
| 6 |
Shimbun was entering the daily newspaper market in the
|
| 7 |
Hakodate area, Hokkaido Shimbun obstructed the entry of
|
| 8 |
Hakodate Shimbun and carried out the following actions
|
| 9 |
to hinder their business:
|
| 10 |
First, Hokkaido Shimbun applied for trademark
|
| 11 |
registration to the Patent Agency regarding nine
|
| 12 |
mastheads, including "Hakodate Shimbun," that would be
|
| 13 |
used when publishing newspapers in the Hakodate area,
|
| 14 |
although they had no specific plans to use those
|
| 15 |
mastheads.
|
| 16 |
Second, the main newspaper publishers
in
|
| 17 |
Hokkaido received articles through Jiji Press and Kyodo
|
| 18 |
News Service. Based on a priority policy with prior
|
| 19 |
contractors where Jiji Press would not deliver articles
|
| 20 |
against the will of the present contractors, Hokkaido
|
| 21 |
Shimbun implicitly solicited Jiji Press not to deliver
|
| 22 |
articles to the Hakodate Shimbun so that Jiji Press and
|
| 23 |
Hakodate Shimbun could not conclude a delivery
|
| 24 |
agreement.
|
| 25 |
Third, to make it difficult for Hakodate
Shimbun
|
34
| 1 |
to earn advertisements revenues, even in the situation
|
| 2 |
where damage to Hokkaido Shimbun itself was expected,
|
| 3 |
Hokkaido Shimbun split the price of inserting
|
| 4 |
advertisements in local edition in half for small and
|
| 5 |
medium-sized companies, who would be the targets for
|
| 6 |
Hakodate Shimbun for collecting advertisements.
|
| 7 |
The JFTC found that the conduct by Hokkaido
|
| 8 |
Shimbun fell under excluding type of private
|
| 9 |
monopolization, as it excluded the business activities
|
| 10 |
of Hakodate Shimbun and substantially restricted
|
| 11 |
competition in the market. Hokkaido Shimbun appealed
|
| 12 |
for a hearing procedure against the recommendation but
|
| 13 |
finally accepted to take measures issued by the JFTC.
|
| 14 |
Next, enforcement activities of unfair
trade
|
| 15 |
practices.
|
| 16 |
For the last ten years, the JFTC has taken
legal
|
| 17 |
measures against around 50 cases of unfair trade
|
| 18 |
practices, including 10 cases of dealing on exclusive or
|
| 19 |
restrictive terms, and nine cases of interference with
|
| 20 |
transaction.
|
| 21 |
In determining whether any specific single-firm
|
| 22 |
conduct falls under unfair trade practices, that is,
|
| 23 |
whether it tends to impede fair competition, basically
|
| 24 |
speaking, as in the case of private monopolization,
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various relevant factors should be taken into account on
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a case-by-case basis. For example, in a case concerning
|
| 2 |
discriminatory pricing, the Tokyo High Court opined that
|
| 3 |
various factors, including the structure and development
|
| 4 |
of the relevant market, the difference of supply costs,
|
| 5 |
market position of the concerned retailer (market
|
| 6 |
share), and subjective intentions for setting price
|
| 7 |
differentials would need to be taken into account in a
|
| 8 |
comprehensive way (April 27, 2005).
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| 9 |
On the other hand, in this connection,
it should
|
| 10 |
be noted that regarding unfair trade practices, the JFTC
|
| 11 |
has designated in its series of notifications those
|
| 12 |
types of single-firm conduct which are likely to tend to
|
| 13 |
impede fair competition, and has also clarified more
|
| 14 |
specifically what kinds of conduct violate our AMA as
|
| 15 |
unfair trade practices in various guidelines, including
|
| 16 |
Guidelines Concerning Distribution Systems and Business
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| 17 |
Practices which was issued in 1991 to address the final
|
| 18 |
report of U.S.-Japan Structural Impediments Initiative
|
| 19 |
in 1990. Therefore, we believe that there has been a
|
| 20 |
certain level of clarity, predictability and
|
| 21 |
transparency secured in the determination of unfair
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| 22 |
trade practices.
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Let me take up one example of the case
of unfair
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| 24 |
trade practices, which involved a market dominant
|
| 25 |
company in Japan, Microsoft KK (MSKK), a subsidiary of
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Microsoft Corporation, and the recommendation decision
|
| 2 |
was issued on December 14, 1998.
|
| 3 |
According to the decision, the market
situation
|
| 4 |
of the case was as follows. First, MS Excel had been
|
| 5 |
popular among consumers since 1993 and had acquired the
|
| 6 |
top market share for spreadsheet software. On the other
|
| 7 |
hand, MS Word was originally an English word processor
|
| 8 |
and it was said that the function for Japanese language
|
| 9 |
did not work very well, and thus, "Ichitaro" produced by
|
| 10 |
the Japanese software company had the top share for word
|
| 11 |
processor software in Japan in 1994.
|
| 12 |
In the market situation, MSKK decided
to take a
|
| 13 |
policy to make PC manufacturers pre-install both MS
|
| 14 |
Excel and MS Word in their PCs in 1995. On the other
|
| 15 |
hand, many PC manufacturers, including major ones, asked
|
| 16 |
MSKK to license only MS Excel because they preferred to
|
| 17 |
pre-install Ichitaro rather than MS Word. However, MSKK
|
| 18 |
rejected this proposal and finally made these PC
|
| 19 |
manufacturers accept the license agreement where PC
|
| 20 |
manufacturers should pre-install not only MS Excel but
|
| 21 |
also MS Word in their PCs.
|
| 22 |
In addition, MSKK decided to take a position
|
| 23 |
that it made PC manufacturers pre-install not only MS
|
| 24 |
Excel and MS Word but also MS Outlook schedule
|
| 25 |
management software in their PCs, in 1996. Since there
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was another type of schedule management software, which
|
| 2 |
held the top market share, and was called Organizer
|
| 3 |
produced by Lotus Corporation, a part of the PC
|
| 4 |
manufacturers asked MSKK to license only MS Excel and MS
|
| 5 |
Word in order to pre-install Lotus Organizer instead of
|
| 6 |
MS Outlook. However, MSKK again rejected the proposal
|
| 7 |
and finally made all manufacturers accept installing MS
|
| 8 |
Outlook as well as both MS Excel and MS Word in their
|
| 9 |
PCs.
|
| 10 |
The JFTC found that MSKK unjustly made
PC
|
| 11 |
manufacturers buy its word processor software by tying
|
| 12 |
it with its popular spreadsheet software. In addition,
|
| 13 |
MSKK unjustly made PC manufacturers buy its schedule
|
| 14 |
management software by tying it with its spreadsheet
|
| 15 |
software and word processor software. These conducts
|
| 16 |
fell under the category of illegal tie-in sales.
|
| 17 |
In summary, as I have mentioned, under
our AMA,
|
| 18 |
single-firm conduct can be regulated by either private
|
| 19 |
monopolization or unfair trade practices. In both
|
| 20 |
cases, a case-by-case basis approach is to be taken in
|
| 21 |
determining whether concerned conduct is unlawful or
|
| 22 |
not, by considering all relevant factors
|
| 23 |
comprehensively.
|
| 24 |
Finally let me touch upon the current
|
| 25 |
discussions related to regulations against single-firm
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| 1 |
conduct which have been developed in the Antimonopoly
|
| 2 |
Act Study Group established in Cabinet Office as a
|
| 3 |
private discussion body under the Chief Cabinet
|
| 4 |
Secretary. At that group, there is an argument that
|
| 5 |
surcharge should be imposed on not only controlling type
|
| 6 |
of private monopolization but also excluding type of
|
| 7 |
private monopolization.
|
| 8 |
Also, others argue that even some types
of
|
| 9 |
unfair trade practices should be subject to surcharge.
|
| 10 |
As an official of the JFTC, since these discussions
|
| 11 |
would affect the future regulation system against
|
| 12 |
single-firm conduct, I would like to carefully study
|
| 13 |
various views of relevant parties and continue to
|
| 14 |
monitor future discussion in this study group.
|
| 15 |
Finally, needless to say, ongoing discussions
|
| 16 |
here in the United States and the EC on single-firm
|
| 17 |
conduct is very helpful and valuable to advance our own
|
| 18 |
thinking on the regulations on single-firm conduct. We
|
| 19 |
will continue to closely monitor such discussion.
|
| 20 |
Thank you very much for your kind attention.
|
| 21 |
(Applause.)
|
| 22 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you very much, Mr.
Nakajima,
|
| 23 |
for that perspective from Japan.
|
| 24 |
Moving to Mexico, I'm pleased to introduce
|
| 25 |
Eduardo Perez Motta, the Chairman of Mexico's Federal
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| 1 |
Commission on Competition. Before joining the CFC,
|
| 2 |
Eduardo was ambassador and permanent representative of
|
| 3 |
Mexico to the World Trade Organization. He's also
|
| 4 |
headed the Representation Office of the Ministry of
|
| 5 |
Trade and Industrial Development in Brussels, where he
|
| 6 |
coordinated the Mexican team negotiating the Free Trade
|
| 7 |
Agreement between Mexico and the European Union.
|
| 8 |
Eduardo?
|
| 9 |
MR. PEREZ MOTTA: Good morning. I would
like to
|
| 10 |
first of all thank the DOJ and the FTC, my good friends,
|
| 11 |
Tom Barnett and Debbie Majoras, for inviting me to
|
| 12 |
participate in these hearings. It is a real pleasure
|
| 13 |
and a privilege to be here today.
|
| 14 |
For a relatively small economy, best practices
|
| 15 |
abroad become an important instrument to promote or to
|
| 16 |
maintain or to try to maintain best practices within
|
| 17 |
your country, and this was actually the case of Mexico,
|
| 18 |
where we recently had a very important overhaul in our
|
| 19 |
legal framework in competition.
|
| 20 |
So, let me first try to see if this works.
It
|
| 21 |
is not responding.
|
| 22 |
(Pause in the proceedings.)
|
| 23 |
MR. PEREZ MOTTA: Okay, thank you.
|
| 24 |
Well, also the heart of competition policy
in
|
| 25 |
Mexico comes actually from our Constitution. Article 28
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| 1 |
in our Constitution basically uses very strong words,
|
| 2 |
and it comes from 1857, but with very strong words
|
| 3 |
against monopolies, it says that the law will severely
|
| 4 |
punish all kinds of concentration in one or a few hands
|
| 5 |
of basic commodities, all agreements, processes or
|
| 6 |
combinations undertaken by producers, industrialists,
|
| 7 |
tradesmen, et cetera, to prevent competition or free
|
| 8 |
market access and force consumers to pay exaggerated
|
| 9 |
prices. That's the way it is written in our
|
| 10 |
Constitution.
|
| 11 |
And also, it will banish whatever constitutes
an
|
| 12 |
undue exclusive advantage in favor of one or more
|
| 13 |
persons and against the public in general or a certain
|
| 14 |
social class. That's the origin and that's the heart of
|
| 15 |
competition policy in Mexico.
|
| 16 |
Even though this is a very old basic origin
of
|
| 17 |
the competition law, it is not until 1993 when we
|
| 18 |
created the Federal Law of Economic Competition, which
|
| 19 |
translates those definitions in specific procedures.
|
| 20 |
So, it was not until 1993 where also the Federal
|
| 21 |
Commission on Competition for Mexico was created. So,
|
| 22 |
our institution is relatively young, and it was a month
|
| 23 |
ago when we published the first real overhaul of the
|
| 24 |
Federal Law of Economic Competition. That was a reform
|
| 25 |
approved at the end of the last legislature, which was
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| 1 |
April, April this year, where it was published about a
|
| 2 |
month ago.
|
| 3 |
So, those specific procedures in our law
|
| 4 |
basically go in three instruments. First, merger review
|
| 5 |
process. Second, what we call absolute monopolistic
|
| 6 |
practices, which is basically cartels. And third, what
|
| 7 |
we call relative monopolistic practices, which is
|
| 8 |
precisely the topic of today's discussion, and it's in
|
| 9 |
general single-firm dominant conduct.
|
| 10 |
So, I will concentrate in the last of
our
|
| 11 |
instruments, but I would have to say that in each and
|
| 12 |
every one of those instruments, in the last reform, we
|
| 13 |
got an improvement either of our procedures or we got an
|
| 14 |
important simplification of procedures, like in the case
|
| 15 |
of the merger review process, it was a major
|
| 16 |
simplification of the procedures in Mexico. We
|
| 17 |
increased the thresholds, we created a fast-track
|
| 18 |
mechanism, and we also included efficiency
|
| 19 |
considerations as an obligation for the Commission to
|
| 20 |
consider when evaluating a merger.
|
| 21 |
In the case of absolute monopolistic practices,
|
| 22 |
we introduced a major reform, which was the leniency
|
| 23 |
program, which is the state of the art. We were
|
| 24 |
inspired from best practices in the U.S., best practices
|
| 25 |
in the European Union, as well as in Canada, we used
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| 1 |
OECD recommendations to basically build that program,
|
| 2 |
and that's a very interesting situation, because this is
|
| 3 |
the only kind of program, the leniency program in
|
| 4 |
Mexico, in the case of competition law, is the only area
|
| 5 |
where that applies in our law, in general.
|
| 6 |
So, we don't have that -- that this is
the first
|
| 7 |
time that we introduced this kind of legislation, which,
|
| 8 |
of course, has a very important mechanism of incentives
|
| 9 |
basically to change the interests of players to create
|
| 10 |
that kind of solutions or even to just stabilize them in
|
| 11 |
the medium term.
|
| 12 |
So, going directly to single-firm dominant
|
| 13 |
conduct, we have to distinguish in our law two types of
|
| 14 |
situations. First, when we evaluate relative
|
| 15 |
monopolistic practices, we basically make a difference
|
| 16 |
between what we should consider as specific conduct of a
|
| 17 |
single firm which is dominant in a specific market and
|
| 18 |
this second one, which is regulation.
|
| 19 |
For the first one, for conduct, basically
what
|
| 20 |
our laws says is that the relative monopolistic
|
| 21 |
practices are those acts or agreements or combinations
|
| 22 |
whose object or effect is to unduly exclude,
|
| 23 |
substantially impede access, or establish exclusive
|
| 24 |
advantages in favor of one or more persons, and this is
|
| 25 |
subject, of course, to the rule of reason, and those are
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| 1 |
the articles in our law which are used to address these
|
| 2 |
issues.
|
| 3 |
Now, in terms of regulation, this is a
|
| 4 |
completely different situation, where you could have a
|
| 5 |
declaration on effective competition conditions, which
|
| 6 |
in this case the Commission, the Competition Commission
|
| 7 |
of Mexico, is empowered to resolve on the existence of
|
| 8 |
effective competition conditions as a prerequisite for
|
| 9 |
economic regulation, and this could be done either by a
|
| 10 |
sectorial regulator or by the Ministry of the Economy.
|
| 11 |
The way this analysis is made in our law
is just
|
| 12 |
the following. The first step is to find out if the
|
| 13 |
practice exists, and we have those practices typified in
|
| 14 |
11 specific practices. We think that this typification
|
| 15 |
basically provides a legal certainty to the companies,
|
| 16 |
because they know exactly in which cases those practices
|
| 17 |
could be sanctioned or not as long as the other
|
| 18 |
conditions, of course, apply.
|
| 19 |
We have to demonstrate the object or effect
of
|
| 20 |
that practice. It is clear that the size of the firm
|
| 21 |
does not demonstrate a harm necessarily. We also have
|
| 22 |
to apply the rule of reason. The agent has to have a
|
| 23 |
substantial market power in the relevant market, and it
|
| 24 |
is clear that competitor injury does not demonstrate a
|
| 25 |
violation. And finally, efficiencies. Efficiencies
|
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| 1 |
must show that the conduct has a favorable effect on
|
| 2 |
competition or that those anticompetitive effects are
|
| 3 |
offset by consumer benefits.
|
| 4 |
So, in the end, what is important is to
look at
|
| 5 |
the net effect on welfare, and as Philip was saying, in
|
| 6 |
this case, the burden of proof is on the side of the
|
| 7 |
company. So, basically the agency would use the
|
| 8 |
information and the arguments that the company is giving
|
| 9 |
in order to evaluate those efficiencies.
|
| 10 |
Now, in terms of those specific practices,
as I
|
| 11 |
was saying, in our law, we have identified and typified
|
| 12 |
11 specific practices, which some of them are oriented
|
| 13 |
to single-firm dominant conduct, and some others are
|
| 14 |
other anticompetitive practices which are, of course, as
|
| 15 |
well subject to the rule of reason.
|
| 16 |
For the second type of practices, which
are
|
| 17 |
other anticompetitive practices, we could include or we
|
| 18 |
include vertical market division by reason of geography
|
| 19 |
or time; vertical price restrictions; exclusionary group
|
| 20 |
boycotts; and discrimination in price, sales or
|
| 21 |
purchasing conditions. For single-firm dominant
|
| 22 |
conduct, we have identified tied sales, exclusive
|
| 23 |
dealing, refusals -- refusals to sale, predation,
|
| 24 |
loyalty discounts, cross subsidization, and raising
|
| 25 |
rivals' costs.
|
45
| 1 |
Of course, we have different cases that
have
|
| 2 |
applied to each of these practices. For instance, in
|
| 3 |
the case of exclusive dealings, maybe the most important
|
| 4 |
case was the case of Coca-Cola, where we boast the
|
| 5 |
highest fine in the history of the Mexican Commission.
|
| 6 |
That was the case between Pepsi against Coca-Cola.
|
| 7 |
For the case of tied sales, maybe the
case that
|
| 8 |
comes to my mind, was some ports in Mexico. They were
|
| 9 |
offering piloting services, and it happens that those
|
| 10 |
pilots in some of those ports also owned the boats.
|
| 11 |
They had a company where they offered the services of
|
| 12 |
the boats to transport the pilots to the ships, and it
|
| 13 |
happened that if you wanted to use a pilot, they gave
|
| 14 |
you the service only as long as you contracted at the
|
| 15 |
same time, the ships that transported those guys. So,
|
| 16 |
that was a case of tied sales, and we sanctioned those
|
| 17 |
pilots in this particular case.
|
| 18 |
The case of predation, this was an interesting
|
| 19 |
case. The most important one was on Chiclets. That was
|
| 20 |
a Warner-Lambert case against Adams, and in that case,
|
| 21 |
the case went off to the Supreme Court, and actually we
|
| 22 |
lost the case because the Supreme Court considered -- at
|
| 23 |
that time, the predation was part of a group of
|
| 24 |
practices which were not identified in the law. They
|
| 25 |
were in the rulings. So, basically the Supreme Court
|
46
| 1 |
said that because that was not typified in the law, it
|
| 2 |
was not possible to apply it. So, that was basically
|
| 3 |
their decision in terms of unconstitutionality of that
|
| 4 |
particular article. That was changed. That was changed
|
| 5 |
precisely in the reform that was just recently passed.
|
| 6 |
Actually, those cases, those five particular
|
| 7 |
practices, were the ones that originally were in our
|
| 8 |
rulings, and they were moved to the law in the recent
|
| 9 |
approval of the reform.
|
| 10 |
For the efficiency considerations, I would
like
|
| 11 |
just to raise this in the case of WalMart in a recent
|
| 12 |
investigation in the Mexican Commission. The claim was
|
| 13 |
in this case that WalMart was pressuring its suppliers
|
| 14 |
to charge higher prices to its competitors under the
|
| 15 |
threat of suspending purchases of their products. Maybe
|
| 16 |
you have had a similar situation in the U.S. I'm not
|
| 17 |
really sure, but that could have been the case.
|
| 18 |
Efficiencies were the main arguments,
and they
|
| 19 |
were offered by WalMart. They argued that lower prices
|
| 20 |
from suppliers resulted from cost reductions in its
|
| 21 |
distribution systems, better inventory management,
|
| 22 |
shorter average payment periods, et cetera, and those
|
| 23 |
efficiencies were translated into the lower prices for
|
| 24 |
consumers. So, that was the consideration, that the
|
| 25 |
weight of those arguments outweighed the possible
|
47
| 1 |
anticompetitive impact of that behavior, and the
|
| 2 |
Commission basically decided that the efficiency gains,
|
| 3 |
the net efficiency gains, were positive in this case,
|
| 4 |
and we closed that case.
|
| 5 |
So, let me briefly just end by speaking
a little
|
| 6 |
bit about the sectorial cases, not the conduct of single
|
| 7 |
firm which has a dominant position in the market, but
|
| 8 |
the case when Mexico's competition law allows for price
|
| 9 |
regulation when this is warranted by competition
|
| 10 |
analysis, and this is important because this would apply
|
| 11 |
for most regulated sectors or for some unregulated
|
| 12 |
sectors when you have a situation of a lack of
|
| 13 |
competition in that particular market.
|
| 14 |
For the regulated sector, this is a much
|
| 15 |
clear-cut situation. You could have, in the case of
|
| 16 |
telecommunications, railroads or airports, a lack of or
|
| 17 |
the absence of competition conditions and then the need
|
| 18 |
to regulate prices in very specific cases.
|
| 19 |
In the second situation, which is when
the
|
| 20 |
Executive has -- the Executive in Mexico has actually
|
| 21 |
the constitutional attribution to issue price controls,
|
| 22 |
and actually, the Mexican economy used to be, a few
|
| 23 |
years ago, a highly regulated economy. Most of the
|
| 24 |
prices were controlled during some time.
|
| 25 |
With the entrance into force of Mexico's
|
48
| 1 |
competition law in 1993, there was a specific regulation
|
| 2 |
on that. So, there was a specific restriction on that
|
| 3 |
attribution that could only apply when the Federal
|
| 4 |
Competition Commission could issue what we call a
|
| 5 |
Declaration of Lack of Competition Conditions, and only
|
| 6 |
in those conditions, prices would be regulated, and the
|
| 7 |
procedure to make this Declaration of Absence of
|
| 8 |
Competition Conditions was made in the recent reform of
|
| 9 |
the Mexican law.
|
| 10 |
One example of the first case, which is
the one
|
| 11 |
in which this could apply for a regulated sector, was
|
| 12 |
the case of Telmex, when in 1997, the Commission
|
| 13 |
initiated an official procedure to determine if Telmex,
|
| 14 |
which is what we consider the dominant telephone company
|
| 15 |
in Mexico, had precisely a dominant position. We
|
| 16 |
divided the markets in to five markets, and we basically
|
| 17 |
considered that Telmex had substantial market power in
|
| 18 |
those five telephone markets, like local telephone
|
| 19 |
service, national long distance service, international
|
| 20 |
long distance service, access to interconnection to
|
| 21 |
local networks, and interurban transport.
|
| 22 |
Basically, there was an amparo, which
is an
|
| 23 |
appeal by the company, and we have this case -- just
|
| 24 |
imagine, this case was started in 1997. We are in 2006,
|
| 25 |
and this case is still in the courts and has not been
|
49
| 1 |
solved. So, actually, from a legal point of view, I
|
| 2 |
cannot speak about dominance on Telmex, but they do have
|
| 3 |
95 percent of the leased lines in Mexico. I'm just
|
| 4 |
finished. Actually, I'm just finished. So, just in
|
| 5 |
time.
|
| 6 |
So, thank you very much for this invitation.
|
| 7 |
It's a real honor for me to be here today, and I hope we
|
| 8 |
will have a good session, some questions and I hope
|
| 9 |
answers as well. Thank you very much.
|
| 10 |
(Applause.)
|
| 11 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you very much, Eduardo,
and
|
| 12 |
congratulations on your success in the reform of
|
| 13 |
Mexico's competition law.
|
| 14 |
We will now move to the north, and I am
very
|
| 15 |
pleased to introduce Canada's Commissioner of
|
| 16 |
Competition, Sheridan Scott. Sheridan is responsible
|
| 17 |
for the administration and enforcement of Canada's
|
| 18 |
Competition Act as well as consumer protection statutes.
|
| 19 |
Before joining the Competition Bureau, she was Chief
|
| 20 |
Regulatory Officer of Bell Canada, Vice President of
|
| 21 |
Planning and Regulatory Affairs for the Canadian
|
| 22 |
Broadcasting Corporation, and Senior Legal Counsel at
|
| 23 |
the Canadian Radio Television and Telecommunications
|
| 24 |
Commission. She has also taught law at the University
|
| 25 |
of Ottawa and Carlton university.
|
50
| 1 |
Sheridan?
|
| 2 |
MS. SCOTT: Thank you very much, Randy,
and I
|
| 3 |
would like to join my colleagues in saying what an honor
|
| 4 |
and a privilege it is to be here today and how thankful
|
| 5 |
I am for the invitation from the DOJ and the FTC to be
|
| 6 |
able to talk to you this morning a bit about Canada's
|
| 7 |
competition law.
|
| 8 |
As Randy mentioned, as Commissioner of
|
| 9 |
Competition, I am responsible for the administration and
|
| 10 |
enforcement of the Competition Act. Under our
|
| 11 |
legislation, the single-firm anticompetitive behavior is
|
| 12 |
captured by the abuse of dominance provisions found in
|
| 13 |
Sections 78 and 79 of our legislation.
|
| 14 |
This morning, I'd like to outline the
|
| 15 |
Competition Bureau's approach to enforcing the abuse of
|
| 16 |
dominance provisions and the necessary elements for a
|
| 17 |
successful application under the Act. I'd also like to
|
| 18 |
discuss the most recent abuse case that went before the
|
| 19 |
Competition Tribunal, and finally, touch upon some of
|
| 20 |
the challenges that we face in trying to enforce Section
|
| 21 |
79.
|
| 22 |
Most of the points that I'll be making
this
|
| 23 |
morning can actually be found in our Abuse of Dominance
|
| 24 |
Guidelines -- found on our web site -- that are
|
| 25 |
instructions for the business community to understand
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the approach that we take to enforcing the legislation.
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Now, since 1986, abuse of dominant position
has
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| 3 |
been a reviewable matter under the Competition Act.
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What that means is it is a matter that is not inherently
|
| 5 |
bad but subject to review by our Competition Tribunal, a
|
| 6 |
specialized court that is composed of judges as well as
|
| 7 |
laypersons with a background in accounting, business and
|
| 8 |
economics. They determine whether, on balance,
|
| 9 |
anticompetitive conduct has substantially lessened or
|
| 10 |
prevented competition or is likely to do so.
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| 11 |
It's only once a firm becomes dominant
in its
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| 12 |
relevant market that the firm's behavior is open to
|
| 13 |
examination under Section 79. The Act outlines a test
|
| 14 |
with three essential elements, all of which must be met
|
| 15 |
in order to conclude that an abuse of dominant position
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has occurred.
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Firstly, the Bureau must demonstrate to
the
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| 18 |
Tribunal that one or more persons substantially or
|
| 19 |
completely control throughout Canada or a part of it a
|
| 20 |
class or species of business. In other words, you must
|
| 21 |
demonstrate that a company is dominant in its market.
|
| 22 |
Now, our analysis begins, not surprisingly, with a
|
| 23 |
definition of a relevant product market, looking at a
|
| 24 |
number of factors, most importantly, substitutability.
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The geographic market is also defined, and here the
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Bureau will consider factors such as the evidence of
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| 2 |
foreign competition, imports, and transportation costs.
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| 3 |
Once the product and geographic market
have been
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| 4 |
defined, the law requires a determination of market
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| 5 |
power. This requirement is fundamental to a success
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| 6 |
under an application under Section 79. The Tribunal has
|
| 7 |
clarified that high market share together with barriers
|
| 8 |
to entry will typically be sufficient to support a
|
| 9 |
finding of market power. A prima facie conclusion of
|
| 10 |
market power may be made on the basis of high market
|
| 11 |
share alone, but factors such as barriers to entry,
|
| 12 |
excess capacity, and countervailing powers also normally
|
| 13 |
bear in the Bureau's assessment.
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| 14 |
To date, the cases brought before the
Tribunal
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| 15 |
have all included respondents which possessed very high
|
| 16 |
market shares; indeed, in excess of 80 percent in all
|
| 17 |
examples. In the Abuse Guidelines, the Bureau states
|
| 18 |
that a market share of less than 35 percent will
|
| 19 |
normally not give rise to concerns of market power,
|
| 20 |
while the Tribunal has indicated that a market share of
|
| 21 |
less than 50 percent cannot be considered a prima facie
|
| 22 |
indication of market power. Whether a firm with market
|
| 23 |
share falling below 50 percent would be found to exhibit
|
| 24 |
market power remains to be tested before our Tribunal.
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| 25 |
The second element the Bureau must make
out is
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that the dominant person or persons have engaged in or
|
| 2 |
are engaging in a practice of anticompetitive acts. A
|
| 3 |
business must engage in more than an isolated act to
|
| 4 |
constitute a practice, which means engaging in several
|
| 5 |
acts of the same nature or several acts of a different
|
| 6 |
nature. Assessing when behavior is anticompetitive is
|
| 7 |
still complex. Some examples of behavior, such as the
|
| 8 |
introduction of a new brand or aggressive pricing could
|
| 9 |
have a procompetitive business purpose and not an
|
| 10 |
anticompetitive business purpose, so we're very careful
|
| 11 |
to look into the differences in those sorts of
|
| 12 |
behaviors.
|
| 13 |
Now, Section 78 provides a nonexhaustive
list of
|
| 14 |
anticompetitive acts. The section references acts such
|
| 15 |
as the preemption of scarce facilities or resources
|
| 16 |
required by a competitor for the operation of its
|
| 17 |
business; margin squeezing, requiring a supplier to sell
|
| 18 |
to only certain customers. The Tribunal has also found
|
| 19 |
other facts that are not listed in the legislation, such
|
| 20 |
as the use of long-term exclusive contracts, to be
|
| 21 |
anticompetitive when engaged in by a dominant firm.
|
| 22 |
In order to be found anticompetitive,
the
|
| 23 |
behavior engaged in must have a predatory, exclusionary
|
| 24 |
or disciplinary purpose vis-a-vis a competitor. The
|
| 25 |
Tribunal does not require evidence of subjective intent,
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but rather, evidence as to the overall character or
|
| 2 |
purpose of the act in question. This is determined by
|
| 3 |
considering factors such as the reasonably foreseeable
|
| 4 |
or expected consequences of acts, any business
|
| 5 |
justification, and any evidence of subjective intent,
|
| 6 |
the so-called "smoking gun."
|
| 7 |
For example, in a case involving Laidlaw,
the
|
| 8 |
Tribunal found that acts engaged in by Laidlaw could
|
| 9 |
only be interpreted as being targeted towards its
|
| 10 |
competitors. The respondent in that case had acquired
|
| 11 |
competitors and imposed onerous no-compete clauses in
|
| 12 |
the purchase agreements, utilized long-term contracts
|
| 13 |
with highly restrictive clauses, and intimidated both
|
| 14 |
customers and competitors through threats of litigation.
|
| 15 |
In assessing all the facts of that case, the Tribunal
|
| 16 |
had no difficulty concluding that Laidlaw had engaged in
|
| 17 |
a practice of anticompetitive acts in the relevant
|
| 18 |
markets.
|
| 19 |
In each potential abuse case, once dominance,
|
| 20 |
the first element that I described, and a practice of
|
| 21 |
anticompetitive acts, the second element, has been
|
| 22 |
established, the Commissioner must still convince the
|
| 23 |
Tribunal that there has been a substantial negative
|
| 24 |
effect on competition as a result of the anticompetitive
|
| 25 |
act. This third element under Section 79 requires that
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the practice has had, is having or is likely to have the
|
| 2 |
effect of preventing or lessening competition
|
| 3 |
substantially in a market.
|
| 4 |
This requirement ensures that the Bureau
examine
|
| 5 |
the effect on competition as a whole, not just taking
|
| 6 |
into account the repercussions of the practice on a
|
| 7 |
specific competitor. In assessing the effect on
|
| 8 |
competition, the Tribunal will examine the degree to
|
| 9 |
which the anticompetitive acts preserve or enhance the
|
| 10 |
dominant firm's market power; that is, through the
|
| 11 |
preservation or enhancement of barriers to entry or
|
| 12 |
expansion. While the issue of substantial lessening of
|
| 13 |
competition has been considered by the Tribunal, it has
|
| 14 |
not yet had the opportunity to comment on the
|
| 15 |
substantial prevention of competition, something that
|
| 16 |
we're looking at and seeing in cases that we can take to
|
| 17 |
it.
|
| 18 |
The Tribunal has noted in Tele-Direct,
a case
|
| 19 |
concerning directory advertising, that where a firm has
|
| 20 |
a very high degree of market power in a market, even an
|
| 21 |
act that has a small impact on the competitiveness of a
|
| 22 |
given market may be considered substantial.
|
| 23 |
In assessing the impact of a practice
on
|
| 24 |
competition, the Bureau uses a "but for" test; namely,
|
| 25 |
but for the anticompetitive practice in question, would
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| 1 |
there be significantly greater competition? This test
|
| 2 |
has recently been endorsed by our Federal Court of
|
| 3 |
Appeal in the Canada Pipe case, to which I will return
|
| 4 |
shortly.
|
| 5 |
Under this standard, the question is not
simply
|
| 6 |
whether the relevant market would be competitive in the
|
| 7 |
absence of the impugned practice, nor whether the level
|
| 8 |
of competitiveness observed in the presence of the
|
| 9 |
impugned practice is acceptable; rather, the question is
|
| 10 |
whether, absent the anticompetitive acts, the market
|
| 11 |
would be characterized by materially lower prices,
|
| 12 |
greater choice, or better service.
|
| 13 |
Requiring a linkage between an act and
an
|
| 14 |
anticompetitive effect also requires that the Bureau
|
| 15 |
consider all potential reasons for the maintenance or
|
| 16 |
enhancement of market power and isolate the effects of
|
| 17 |
the anticompetitive act in question. Thus, Section
|
| 18 |
79(4) of the legislation compels the Tribunal to
|
| 19 |
consider, for example, whether the practice is a result
|
| 20 |
of superior competitive performance. This is not the
|
| 21 |
same as an efficiencies defense which exists in our law
|
| 22 |
with respect to merger review. The Bureau, as stated in
|
| 23 |
the Abuse Guidelines, takes the position that superior
|
| 24 |
competitive performance is only one factor to be
|
| 25 |
assessed in determining the cause of the substantial
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| 1 |
lessening of competition. It is not a justifiable goal
|
| 2 |
for engaging in an anticompetitive act.
|
| 3 |
I'd now like to say a few words about
the
|
| 4 |
remedies that exist under Canadian law where an abuse of
|
| 5 |
dominance has occurred. Before litigating an abuse of
|
| 6 |
dominance case, of course, the Bureau will often
|
| 7 |
approach the dominant firm whose conduct is being
|
| 8 |
investigated and see whether we can obtain a voluntary
|
| 9 |
change of behavior to address our concerns. Where
|
| 10 |
possible, alternate case resolution is pursued rather
|
| 11 |
than litigation.
|
| 12 |
However, once we're pursuing litigation
and the
|
| 13 |
Tribunal has found that an abuse of dominance has
|
| 14 |
occurred, it may make an order prohibiting the
|
| 15 |
respondent from further engaging in the impugned
|
| 16 |
practice. It may also direct any respondent to the
|
| 17 |
abuse application to undertake any action, including the
|
| 18 |
divestiture of assets or shares, as are reasonably
|
| 19 |
necessary to overcome the effects in the marketplace,
|
| 20 |
but in practice, the Tribunal has never done so, so
|
| 21 |
essentially, the only remedies available to the Tribunal
|
| 22 |
are injunctive, with the one exception of the airline
|
| 23 |
industry, where there's provisions that allow for the
|
| 24 |
imposition of administrative monetary penalties.
|
| 25 |
We are on record, supported by others,
such as
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the OECD, that a lack of financial consequences for a
|
| 2 |
dominant firms found to have abused their position is a
|
| 3 |
significant shortcoming in our legislation. This
|
| 4 |
shortcoming is all the more acute in light of the fact
|
| 5 |
that only the Commissioner is able to apply to the
|
| 6 |
Competition Tribunal under Section 79, and civil damages
|
| 7 |
for injured parties are not available through the
|
| 8 |
ordinary court process for abuse of dominance.
|
| 9 |
There is limited case law on Section 79
since
|
| 10 |
only five contested cases have gone before the Tribunal
|
| 11 |
since 1986 when these provisions were introduced. Our
|
| 12 |
latest contested case, the Canada Pipe case, brought
|
| 13 |
some important clarifications and developments with
|
| 14 |
respect to the tests for abuse of dominance, and it is
|
| 15 |
the only decision that has been taken at the Federal
|
| 16 |
Court of Appeal level, and so I would like to spend a
|
| 17 |
few minutes on its findings.
|
| 18 |
Canada Pipe is a Canadian company which
produces
|
| 19 |
and sells cast-iron drain, waste and vent products, DWV
|
| 20 |
products referred to. The practice at issue in this
|
| 21 |
case was Canada Pipe's Stocking Distributor Program, the
|
| 22 |
SDP program, which is described as a loyalty rebate
|
| 23 |
scheme. In contrast to a volume-based discount, under
|
| 24 |
the SDP, distributors of Canada Pipe's DWV products
|
| 25 |
obtain quarterly and yearly rebates as well as
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significant point-of-purchase reductions in return for
|
| 2 |
stocking exclusively the cast-iron DWV products that are
|
| 3 |
supplied by Canada Pipe. Except for losing the yearly
|
| 4 |
and quarterly rebates, there are no penalties attached
|
| 5 |
to opting out of the SDP.
|
| 6 |
It was alleged that the SDP program enhanced
and
|
| 7 |
preserved to a significant extent Canada Pipe's market
|
| 8 |
power in three relevant product markets. The Tribunal
|
| 9 |
found that Canada Pipe was, indeed, dominant in those
|
| 10 |
product markets. It also found that the SDP, though a
|
| 11 |
practice, was not anticompetitive, and regardless, did
|
| 12 |
not substantially lessen or reduce competition.
|
| 13 |
Consequently, the Competition Tribunal dismissed our
|
| 14 |
application under Section 79.
|
| 15 |
The Tribunal's decision was appealed to
the
|
| 16 |
Federal Court of Appeal, and in June, the Commissioner's
|
| 17 |
appeal was allowed and the case was remanded back to the
|
| 18 |
Competition Tribunal for further consideration. Canada
|
| 19 |
Pipe has until September 22nd to decide whether or not
|
| 20 |
it will appeal the Federal Court of Appeal decision.
|
| 21 |
Now, as previously indicated, Section
79 sets
|
| 22 |
out three distinct elements that must be shown to exist
|
| 23 |
before a finding of abuse of dominant position can be
|
| 24 |
made. The Federal Court of Appeal clarified that the
|
| 25 |
applicable test under the multi-element structure of
|
60
| 1 |
Section 79 consists of three discrete subtests, each
|
| 2 |
corresponding to a different requisite element. The
|
| 3 |
most significant statements by the Federal Court of
|
| 4 |
Appeal relate to the second and the third elements. I
|
| 5 |
am going to go back over the ones I have just described
|
| 6 |
to you and explain to you how Canada Pipe fit into that
|
| 7 |
framework.
|
| 8 |
With respect to the second element, as
|
| 9 |
previously indicated, to be considered anticompetitive,
|
| 10 |
an act must have a predatory, exclusionary or
|
| 11 |
disciplinary negative purpose vis-a-vis a competitor.
|
| 12 |
As such, the inquiry under this part of the test focuses
|
| 13 |
upon the intended effects of the act against the
|
| 14 |
competitor, not the effects of those acts on the state
|
| 15 |
of competition in the marketplace or the general causes
|
| 16 |
thereof. As a result, some types of effects on
|
| 17 |
competition in the market might be irrelevant for the
|
| 18 |
purpose of this subtest if these effects do not manifest
|
| 19 |
through a negative effect on a competitor, or a negative
|
| 20 |
purpose, sometimes assessed through looking at the
|
| 21 |
effects.
|
| 22 |
The Federal Court of Appeal noted that
the proof
|
| 23 |
of the intended nature of the negative effect on a
|
| 24 |
competitor can thus be established directly through
|
| 25 |
evidence of subjective intent or indirectly by reference
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| 1
|
to the reasonably foreseeable consequences of the acts
|
| 2
|
themselves and the circumstances surrounding their
|
| 3
|
commission. It concluded that even though evidence of
|
| 4 |
subjective intent is neither required nor determinative,
|
| 5
|
intention remains an important ingredient of the second
|
| 6
|
element of the test under Section 79.
|
| 7
|
In particular, intention is relevant in the
|
| 8
|
sense that while a respondent cannot disavow
|
| 9
|
responsibility for the reasonably foreseeable
|
| 10
|
consequences of its act, a respondent might nevertheless
|
| 11 |
be able to establish that such consequences could not in
|
| 12
|
the context of a second element of the test be
|
| 13
|
considered the purpose or overall character of the acts
|
| 14
|
in question.
|
| 15
|
So, in appropriate circumstances, proof
of a
|
| 16
|
valid business justification for the conduct in question
|
| 17
|
can overcome the deemed intention arising from the
|
| 18
|
actual or perceived ill-effects of the conduct by
|
| 19
|
showing that such anticompetitive effects are not, in
|
| 20
|
fact, the overriding purpose of the conduct in question.
|
| 21
|
In essence, a valid business justification provides an
|
| 22
|
alternative explanation as to why the impugned act was
|
| 23
|
performed. To be relevant in this case, a business
|
| 24
|
justification must be a credible efficiency or
|
| 25
|
procompetitive rationale for the conduct in general
|
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| 1 |
attributable to the respondent which relates to and
|
| 2 |
counterbalances the anticompetitive effects or
|
| 3 |
subjective intents of the acts.
|
| 4 |
The Court clarified that the second element
|
| 5 |
relates to whether the impugned act exhibits the
|
| 6 |
requisite anticompetitive purpose vis-a-vis competitors,
|
| 7 |
while the third element concerns the broader state of
|
| 8 |
competition and whether the practice has the effect of
|
| 9 |
substantially lessening or preventing competition in the
|
| 10 |
market. The Court, on appeal, further clarified that
|
| 11 |
the but for test must be applied by the Tribunal in
|
| 12 |
assessing the impact of a practice of anticompetitive
|
| 13 |
acts on competition in the relevant market.
|
| 14 |
The Federal Court of Appeal judgment clarified
|
| 15 |
that the third element of the test is not whether the
|
| 16 |
markets would or did attain a certain level of
|
| 17 |
competitiveness in the absence of the impugned practice
|
| 18 |
or whether the level of competitiveness observed in the
|
| 19 |
presence of the impugned conduct was high enough or
|
| 20 |
otherwise acceptable. These are absolute evaluations,
|
| 21 |
while the statutory language of the effect of preventing
|
| 22 |
or lessening clearly demonstrates a relative and
|
| 23 |
comparative assessment. The Tribunal must therefore
|
| 24 |
compare the level of competitiveness in the presence of
|
| 25 |
the impugned practice with that which would exist in the
|
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| 1 |
absence of the practice and then determine whether
|
| 2 |
preventing or lessening of competition, if any, is
|
| 3 |
substantial, and this comparison must be done with
|
| 4 |
respect to actual effects in the past, in the present,
|
| 5 |
as well as likely future effects.
|
| 6 |
In the few minutes remaining, I'd like
to touch
|
| 7 |
on just some of the challenges that the Bureau has
|
| 8 |
experienced with respect to the abuse of dominant
|
| 9 |
position. Some of these issues were recently clarified
|
| 10 |
by our Federal Court of Appeal, and others remain to be
|
| 11 |
clarified, notably, joint dominance, the threshold for
|
| 12 |
dominance, essential facilities, and the regulated
|
| 13 |
conduct defense, RCD we'll call it.
|
| 14 |
Now, Section 79 contemplates the possibility
|
| 15 |
that one or more persons may be dominant in a market;
|
| 16 |
however, there have not been any contested cases
|
| 17 |
involving joint dominance. The Bureau takes the
|
| 18 |
position in cases of potential joint dominance that a
|
| 19 |
combined market share of equal to or exceeding 60
|
| 20 |
percent would generally prompt further investigation.
|
| 21 |
In order for the Bureau to conclude that there has been
|
| 22 |
potential joint abuse of dominance, there must be
|
| 23 |
evidence to show coordinated behavior, albeit short of
|
| 24 |
conspiracy, covered by our criminal cartel provisions.
|
| 25 |
The Bureau will consider the following
|
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| 1 |
questions. Is there evidence that the alleged
|
| 2 |
coordinated behavior is intended to exclude, discipline
|
| 3 |
or predate a competitor? Is there evidence of barriers
|
| 4 |
to entry into the group or barriers to entrance into the
|
| 5 |
relevant markets? Is there evidence that members of the
|
| 6 |
group have acted to inhibit intergroup rivalry?
|
| 7 |
The issue of essential facilities is another
|
| 8 |
area which is yet to be addressed in jurisprudence.
|
| 9 |
Section 78 contemplates circumstances under which the
|
| 10 |
withholding of facilities or resources essential to a
|
| 11 |
competitor might be seen as anticompetitive. The issue
|
| 12 |
of essential facilities is especially relevant in
|
| 13 |
network industries such as telecommunications that have
|
| 14 |
been or will be deregulated. It remains to be seen
|
| 15 |
under what market conditions, if any, the Tribunal would
|
| 16 |
make an order that required a dominant firm to provide a
|
| 17 |
competitor with reasonable access to its resource or
|
| 18 |
facility. Section 78 or 79, as written and as
|
| 19 |
interpreted by the Tribunal, are certainly broad enough
|
| 20 |
to tackle this difficult issue, and our Section 79
|
| 21 |
guidelines clarify this.
|
| 22 |
This brings me to my final point on the
|
| 23 |
challenges of Section 79, and it's a fairly significant
|
| 24 |
one from our perspective, the regulated conduct doctrine
|
| 25 |
or RCD, which is similar in some way to the U.S. implied
|
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| 1 |
immunity and state action doctrine. What happens when
|
| 2 |
the conduct that contravenes the Competition Act is, or
|
| 3 |
more importantly, could be regulated by another federal
|
| 4 |
provincial or municipal legislative regime?
|
| 5 |
Regardless of whether the RCD or some
other
|
| 6 |
doctrine or defense immunizes the impugned conduct from
|
| 7 |
a provision of the Act, the Bureau will always consider
|
| 8 |
the regulatory context in which the conduct is engaged
|
| 9 |
where it is relevant to the application of the provision
|
| 10 |
of the act in question. We are currently in the process
|
| 11 |
of looking at telecommunications reform in Canada, and
|
| 12 |
one of the big issues has been when does the conduct,
|
| 13 |
leave the hands of the section-specific regulator and
|
| 14 |
when does it become the domain of the general
|
| 15 |
competition authority?
|
| 16 |
Our jurisprudence is minimal on the application
|
| 17 |
of the RCD for reviewable matters, such as the abuse of
|
| 18 |
dominant position. However, the Bureau will not refrain
|
| 19 |
from pursuing regulated conduct under the reviewable
|
| 20 |
matters provision, such as abuse of dominance, simply
|
| 21 |
because provincial law may be interpreted as authorizing
|
| 22 |
the conduct or as more specific than the act given that
|
| 23 |
the Bureau's mandate is to enforce the law as directed
|
| 24 |
by Parliament, not a provincial legislature or its
|
| 25 |
delegate.
|
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Now, as mentioned, the Federal Court of
Appeal
|
| 2 |
provided some much needed clarification on Section 79,
|
| 3 |
but there remain a number of frontiers left to be
|
| 4 |
explored. We will be continually seeking out cases
|
| 5 |
which test the boundaries of Section 79. That is one of
|
| 6 |
our priorities at the Bureau for this year, actively
|
| 7 |
seeking out these cases, particularly if we think the
|
| 8 |
case will provide valuable jurisprudence and a degree of
|
| 9 |
clarity to the business community as to the
|
| 10 |
circumstances in which the legislation would not be
|
| 11 |
respected.
|
| 12 |
The Competition Act, with its foundation
in
|
| 13 |
modern economics, I believe has served as well since
|
| 14 |
1986 and serves as an appropriate framework for us to
|
| 15 |
continue to explore these issues in the future.
|
| 16 |
Thank you very much.
|
| 17 |
(Applause.)
|
| 18 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you, Sheridan, and thank you
|
| 19 |
to all our speakers. This is exactly the type of input
|
| 20 |
we were looking for to help inform our hearing process.
|
| 21 |
We will be continuing with a discussion period after a
|
| 22 |
short break. I'd like to thank all the speakers for
|
| 23 |
observing the time limitations, and I would ask you to
|
| 24 |
all do the same by returning to this room in ten
|
| 25 |
minutes, so let's start making your way back about
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11:20. Thanks.
|
| 2 |
(A brief recess was taken.)
|
| 3 |
MR. TRITELL: We are going to resume now,
thank
|
| 4 |
you.
|
| 5 |
We are going to have our discussion period,
and
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we're going to begin by asking each of the panelists if
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they'd like to spend a couple of minutes reacting to any
|
| 8 |
of the presentations that they've heard this morning.
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So, we'll start with Philip Lowe, if you
would
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| 10 |
like to offer any observations.
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MR. LOWE: The answer to that question
is yes.
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The first thing which struck me was the
issue of
|
| 13 |
the scope of what we regard as potential action by
|
| 14 |
agencies against the possible anticompetitive conduct of
|
| 15 |
dominant firms, and also the way in which in some
|
| 16 |
jurisdictions the definition goes beyond issues of
|
| 17 |
dominance, the conduct of dominant firms, but to unfair
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| 18 |
trade practices in general.
|
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Now, I think it's fair to say that U.S.
action
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| 20 |
under Section 2 and EU action under 82, notwithstanding
|
| 21 |
the issues of price discrimination and excessive pricing
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| 22 |
cases, which we have from time to time been engaged in,
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has broadly restricted the scope of our attention to the
|
| 24 |
behavior of dominant firms and not to unfair trade
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practices themselves, which are left to applications of
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other aspects of law, and you can see in the German
|
| 2 |
Section 2, the distinction between the German cartel
|
| 3 |
legislation and the German unfair trade practices
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| 4 |
legislation, and I think this distinction in U.S.,
|
| 5 |
German and European traditions reflects -- indeed, we
|
| 6 |
hope confirms -- the orientation towards protecting the
|
| 7 |
competitive process with the ultimate objective of
|
| 8 |
enhancing consumer welfare.
|
| 9 |
Now, the second aspect of scope is, of
course,
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| 10 |
what several of my colleagues have referred to, which is
|
| 11 |
to what extent in recently liberalized sectors, public
|
| 12 |
utilities, the presumption has been made that because of
|
| 13 |
the significant market power of the privatized
|
| 14 |
corporations, it is impossible to rely on ex post
|
| 15 |
intervention in order to achieve a successful control of
|
| 16 |
the conduct of firms concerned, and even outside
|
| 17 |
liberalized sectors in non-U.S. jurisdictions, even in
|
| 18 |
the U.S., the power of the regulators also touches on
|
| 19 |
the issue of -- implicitly, at least -- of the
|
| 20 |
significant market power of those in network industries.
|
| 21 |
So, I think in all our jurisdictions,
we share a
|
| 22 |
category of potential anticompetitive practice which we
|
| 23 |
decide needs to be dealt with by regulation, and it's
|
| 24 |
characterized in the European jurisdiction, telecom's
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| 25 |
regulations, where we explicitly recognize competition
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principles but particularly the issue of significant
|
| 2 |
market power, and we allow national regulators to impose
|
| 3 |
remedies if they can prove significant market power.
|
| 4 |
Now, this is relevant in particular to
what
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| 5 |
Sheridan's just said about the way in which there is an
|
| 6 |
interface between ex ante action and ex post action, and
|
| 7 |
in that sense we have in process, too, a review at the
|
| 8 |
moment as to whether there are categories of the
|
| 9 |
telecom's industry, for example, which can now no longer
|
| 10 |
be subject to ex ante regulation, and we do that, in
|
| 11 |
principle, by focusing on a list of markets where we
|
| 12 |
think there is still a potential problem and where price
|
| 13 |
control or price regulation and access regulation is
|
| 14 |
required up front.
|
| 15 |
So, the discussion on Section 2 and in
our
|
| 16 |
discussion paper of Article 82 does not focus on these
|
| 17 |
unfair trade practices, nor does it focus on these
|
| 18 |
categories of sectors where we've decided ex ante
|
| 19 |
regulation is necessary.
|
| 20 |
Now, in the area of abuse of a dominant
|
| 21 |
position, there has been some discussion among our
|
| 22 |
economists in Europe and elsewhere as to whether, in
|
| 23 |
fact, if you prove the existence through an
|
| 24 |
effects-based analysis of abuse, isn't this sufficient?
|
| 25 |
Why do you need to go through the whole process of
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defining dominance and defining significant market
|
| 2 |
power? I know that some people in this room, including
|
| 3 |
eminent members of the two agencies, have written on
|
| 4 |
this subject, and thankfully, I am comforted that by
|
| 5 |
their views, which are our views, that as agencies, we
|
| 6 |
need to focus our activity on areas where there is
|
| 7 |
likely to be the most competitive harm and where
|
| 8 |
consumer welfare is paramount ultimately, and the
|
| 9 |
screening through the test of dominance is essential for
|
| 10 |
us to proceed.
|
| 11 |
Having said that, one of the things which
struck
|
| 12 |
me in listening to my colleagues, too, is that we've
|
| 13 |
concentrated very much on the issue of liability, what
|
| 14 |
are the conditions for confirming the existence of
|
| 15 |
abusive behavior of a dominant firm, and we have gone on
|
| 16 |
less but, you know, at least two of my colleagues have
|
| 17 |
referred to it as the issue of what the appropriate
|
| 18 |
remedies are to any problem.
|
| 19 |
Now, we have had, in the last five years,
maybe
|
| 20 |
ten important cases under Article 82, and I do not need
|
| 21 |
to remind you of all of them, but under the heading of
|
| 22 |
predatory pricing, there's the very celebrated case in
|
| 23 |
Europe against the German Postal Service for abusive
|
| 24 |
pricing on mail parcel services, concentrating on issues
|
| 25 |
of whether the incremental costs were really covered,
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and Warner, too, which was about margin squeeze, was
|
| 2 |
effectively about pricing below average variable costs,
|
| 3 |
where effectively, too, we looked at the issue of
|
| 4 |
recoupment, although we say we do not, and Virgin BA,
|
| 5 |
which is still in front of the Board of Justice, Mission
|
| 6 |
2, related to rebates, and trying to control the
|
| 7 |
distinction between what is an abusive rebate due to
|
| 8 |
quantity or loyalty or what is aggressively competitive.
|
| 9 |
We have the cases of what is described
as
|
| 10 |
Brandenburg Foods, which is otherwise known as Unilever,
|
| 11 |
and about whether the tying of a supplier to small
|
| 12 |
outlets for impulse ice cream -- impulse ice cream is
|
| 13 |
ice cream which you immediately eat, or at least spit
|
| 14 |
out -- but there was an exclusivity provision on use of
|
| 15 |
freezers and a ban on purchase of other ice creams by
|
| 16 |
the shops. When we attacked that, then the rule changed
|
| 17 |
to no other ice cream can be put in the freezers, but
|
| 18 |
eventually, we won that case.
|
| 19 |
In Coca-Cola, which Eduardo referred to
-- and
|
| 20 |
we didn't sanction the company. We reached a settlement
|
| 21 |
with them, an extensive global -- in fact, global
|
| 22 |
settlement, on the abandonment of individually set
|
| 23 |
target rebates. And in the Prokent complaint against
|
| 24 |
Tomra, which is the -- Tomra is the world's -- you may
|
| 25 |
not know this, but Tomra is the world's dominant
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supplier of reverse vending machines, in which you put
|
| 2 |
empty bottles into. It may sound trivial, but it's a
|
| 3 |
very, very important industry, and they had individual
|
| 4 |
rebates and bonus systems which we condemned as
|
| 5 |
anticompetitive.
|
| 6 |
MR. TRITELL: Philip, I want to give the
others
|
| 7 |
a chance, but I think we will have a chance to come back
|
| 8 |
to a lot of these points in the discussion period.
|
| 9 |
Thanks very much.
|
| 10 |
MR. LOWE: Sorry, I just wanted to mention
some
|
| 11 |
of these cases.
|
| 12 |
MR. TRITELL: I was glad to hear about
the
|
| 13 |
impulse ice cream case.
|
| 14 |
We are going to turn to a couple of the
|
| 15 |
panelists, and I forgot to say, we have been asked by
|
| 16 |
our court reporter to speak right into the microphone.
|
| 17 |
Mr. Nakajima, would you like to make any
|
| 18 |
comments?
|
| 19 |
MR. NAKAJIMA: Let me make my comment very
|
| 20 |
brief. Since Mr. Lowe kindly referred to the Japanese
|
| 21 |
unfair trade practices, I feel that I need to respond to
|
| 22 |
his comments on this.
|
| 23 |
First of all, as I said, unfair trade
practices
|
| 24 |
has multiple functions; not only it tends to prevent
|
| 25 |
private monopolization at the early stage, but also it
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is tasked with protection of SMEs and consumers
|
| 2 |
functions.
|
| 3 |
Second of all, this is my personal view.
|
| 4 |
Whenever we compare Japanese law with Sherman Act of
|
| 5 |
United States or Article 81, 82 of EU, I feel that it is
|
| 6 |
not so fair, because in the case of United States, there
|
| 7 |
are 50 states. The 50 states or most of the states have
|
| 8 |
maybe their own competition laws, and in the case of EU,
|
| 9 |
of course, 25 countries -- I don't know how many of
|
| 10 |
them, but most of them, I suppose --
|
| 11 |
MR. LOWE: It's getting that way.
|
| 12 |
MR. NAKAJIMA: -- but that is not the case
for
|
| 13 |
Japan. So, under the framework of competition law or
|
| 14 |
under our antimonopoly law, it serves multiple functions
|
| 15 |
required to be fulfilled, and actually, when we spoke
|
| 16 |
with people in Asian countries, the concerns that people
|
| 17 |
had in those countries may be some types of unfair trade
|
| 18 |
practices. That's what I wanted to say on what Mr. Lowe
|
| 19 |
commented on about our unfair trade practices.
|
| 20 |
Also, I feel I need to address the comment
of
|
| 21 |
Mr. Lowe about EU's discussion paper on Article 82.
|
| 22 |
Actually, JFTC highly appreciates that discussion paper
|
| 23 |
since it tends to enhance predictability, transparency,
|
| 24 |
certainty, through sound economic analysis.
|
| 25 |
We are looking forward to seeing the forthcoming
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draft guidelines which will be issued I heard within
|
| 2 |
this year. In this respect, let me take up one specific
|
| 3 |
issue of concern I have. As Mr. Lowe mentioned,
|
| 4 |
discussion paper emphasized more focus on effects-based
|
| 5 |
approach, but we concerned that such focus on
|
| 6 |
effects-based approach rather than a form-based approach
|
| 7 |
may undermine or compromise predictability or
|
| 8 |
transparency or certainty in the application of Article
|
| 9 |
82.
|
| 10 |
So, again, we are looking forward to seeing
how
|
| 11 |
the guideline will address such issue of potential
|
| 12 |
conflict or trade-off between risk-based approach on the
|
| 13 |
one hand and enhanced predictability or quality on the
|
| 14 |
other hand, though. Mr. Lowe already touched upon some
|
| 15 |
ways of reaching a possible solution on this issue by
|
| 16 |
referring to creating a safe harbor based upon the
|
| 17 |
economic analysis.
|
| 18 |
Thank you very much.
|
| 19 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you.
|
| 20 |
Eduardo?
|
| 21 |
MR. PEREZ MOTTA: Thank you.
|
| 22 |
Just briefly, Randy, I'd like to take
two points
|
| 23 |
that were starting to be discussed by Philip. One has
|
| 24 |
to do with the case of regulation. By the Mexican law,
|
| 25 |
in regulated sectors, we basically have an ex post
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application of the instrument. So, actually, before you
|
| 2 |
regulate prices, you have to ask yourself if there is a
|
| 3 |
lack of competition conditions in that particular
|
| 4 |
market.
|
| 5 |
For instance, in airports, you have to
first --
|
| 6 |
but exactly, you should not say anything unless you find
|
| 7 |
that that particular airport, for instance, doesn't have
|
| 8 |
enough competition from other airports which are
|
| 9 |
relatively close. So, you have to make the analysis if
|
| 10 |
there is a lack of competition. If there are no
|
| 11 |
conditions of competition in that particular situation,
|
| 12 |
then you have to make a declaration on the lack of
|
| 13 |
competition conditions, and then the regulator will have
|
| 14 |
the ability in that particular case to regulate those
|
| 15 |
prices. So, that's -- we produce more of an ex post
|
| 16 |
type of analysis in those cases.
|
| 17 |
And just one word on the Coca-Cola case.
|
| 18 |
Actually, we tried to negotiate a settlement with
|
| 19 |
Coca-Cola. We were basically using the argument that
|
| 20 |
Coca-Cola had already reached an agreement with the
|
| 21 |
European Commission, and we said, well, why not try in
|
| 22 |
the case of Mexico?
|
| 23 |
But my impression, and this is my really
|
| 24 |
personal impression, is that external lawyers in this
|
| 25 |
case, especially on the bottlers' side of Coca-Cola,
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were not so interested in closing the case, and I guess
|
| 2 |
the incentives were just not there to try to stop the
|
| 3 |
litigation and it was impossible. So, we had to impose
|
| 4 |
the sanction.
|
| 5 |
As I said, it was the strongest sanction
we have
|
| 6 |
ever imposed, because there were cases for each and
|
| 7 |
every bottler. So, the accumulation of the sanction was
|
| 8 |
relatively high.
|
| 9 |
But besides that, I would have to say
that the
|
| 10 |
case became very public in Mexico because one of the
|
| 11 |
correspondents, I think it was from Associated Press, he
|
| 12 |
just discovered that there was this small grocery store,
|
| 13 |
the one that started the case against Coca-Cola, which
|
| 14 |
is something I even didn't know myself, because I got
|
| 15 |
the case a little bit late. I just went into the office
|
| 16 |
two years ago, and this case had been gong on for about
|
| 17 |
five years already, so once this cable went around, the
|
| 18 |
public opinion and the public impact on Coca-Cola in
|
| 19 |
this particular case, because of the situation that the
|
| 20 |
sanctions were basically -- I mean, that the original
|
| 21 |
case started with this sort of -- this kind of case, it
|
| 22 |
just went around, around the world. The kind -- the
|
| 23 |
declarations of these -- the owner of this small grocery
|
| 24 |
store, because the exclusive dealings of Coca-Cola and
|
| 25 |
so on.
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So, my impression in the end is that the
cost
|
| 2 |
for Coca-Cola, from the public exposure of this case,
|
| 3 |
was much higher than the sanction that we imposed. Even
|
| 4 |
if they had paid the sanction and forget about the
|
| 5 |
situation, it would have been cheaper than what they
|
| 6 |
paid finally in terms of legal costs and so on.
|
| 7 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you, Eduardo.
|
| 8 |
Sheridan, any reactions?
|
| 9 |
MS. SCOTT: Just two quick comments.
|
| 10 |
One, just following up on Philip and Eduardo's
|
| 11 |
comments on regulation and how we see handling companies
|
| 12 |
that have been formed into monopolies or whatever and
|
| 13 |
the progression towards proper alignment for the
|
| 14 |
sector-specific regulator and the competition authority.
|
| 15 |
As I've understood Philip and Eduardo to address this,
|
| 16 |
one should first of all apply competition tests to
|
| 17 |
determine whether there should be deregulation.
|
| 18 |
One of the issues we have is whether the
|
| 19 |
sector-specific regulator will actually apply the same
|
| 20 |
sorts of tests of SMP that we would as competition
|
| 21 |
authorities, and part of our job in Canada is using our
|
| 22 |
advocacy ability to speak to the regulator to persuade
|
| 23 |
them that they should be applying proper competition
|
| 24 |
tests, because we will then be reassured that if they
|
| 25 |
deregulate only where there's an observance of market
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power, we will then be in a position to rely on the
|
| 2 |
general Competition Act on an ex post basis and not
|
| 3 |
worry about whether we will require ex ante regulation
|
| 4 |
due to the continuing market power.
|
| 5 |
So, that remains important to us, not
to have
|
| 6 |
sector-specific provisions in our Competition Act to try
|
| 7 |
to assist the sector-specific regulator in taking
|
| 8 |
competition principles into account. One of the things
|
| 9 |
we're working are on telecom-specific guidelines that
|
| 10 |
will be using examples from the telecom sector but with
|
| 11 |
a law of general application, which is what the
|
| 12 |
Competition Act is. So, we feel that's part of our
|
| 13 |
responsibility as a competition authority, to have
|
| 14 |
guidelines generally about abuse, and then to try to
|
| 15 |
find some sector-specific examples to provide guidance
|
| 16 |
to parties, because we think this guidance is extremely
|
| 17 |
important.
|
| 18 |
Now, our legislation -- I think -- legislation
|
| 19 |
seems to me is a bit like ours, is more explicit than
|
| 20 |
the general provisions you find in the EU and Japan and
|
| 21 |
the U.S. I would see all the more reason for you to
|
| 22 |
have guidelines explaining to people how you interpret
|
| 23 |
legislation, but even in the case of Canada, where we
|
| 24 |
have a number of tests specifically set out in the
|
| 25 |
legislation, I think we have a responsibility to provide
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clarity to the business community through enforcement
|
| 2 |
guidelines.
|
| 3 |
MR. TRITELL: Thanks.
|
| 4 |
We are going to move into our question
period.
|
| 5 |
We would like to allow a little time for discussion, so
|
| 6 |
if you will bear with us, we may run over until 10 or 15
|
| 7 |
past 12:00, and I would like to turn to Jerry Masoudi to
|
| 8 |
begin our questions.
|
| 9 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thanks.
|
| 10 |
I would like to ask a question about remedies,
|
| 11 |
and Sheridan, you went into that issue in some detail,
|
| 12 |
stating that injunctive remedies are available on the
|
| 13 |
public side, no monetary remedies and no private
|
| 14 |
enforcement, and then, Mr. Nakajima, you suggested that
|
| 15 |
there were criminal penalties available in Japan, but
|
| 16 |
they have not been implemented in the past, and Philip,
|
| 17 |
you discussed the issue of remedies somewhat.
|
| 18 |
I wonder if we could at least start with
Eduardo
|
| 19 |
and Mr. Nakajima to talk about both private and public
|
| 20 |
enforcement, the remedies that are available to either
|
| 21 |
private parties or to enforcers, and then allow Sheridan
|
| 22 |
and Philip to add anything further that they would like
|
| 23 |
to say on the matter.
|
| 24 |
MR. PEREZ MOTTA: Well, in the Mexican
case, the
|
| 25 |
Federal Commission of Competition has both regulatory
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| 1 |
and adjudicative powers, and they are concentrated just
|
| 2 |
in the Commission. There is no direct private right of
|
| 3 |
action, and that is, the private party harmed by
|
| 4 |
anticompetitive conduct that violates the law cannot
|
| 5 |
really file their case directly with a court of the
|
| 6 |
judicial system. They must bring their complaint before
|
| 7 |
the Commission, and only after the Commission resolves
|
| 8 |
in their favor, they may claim a damage before a court.
|
| 9 |
So, that's how we work.
|
| 10 |
MR. NAKAJIMA: Yes, in Japan, compared
to the
|
| 11 |
United States, private enforcement of competition law
|
| 12 |
has not been so active; however, recently, more and more
|
| 13 |
damage actions have been brought, particularly by local
|
| 14 |
governments regarding bid-rigging cartels, reflecting a
|
| 15 |
growing concern by the local public on the damage caused
|
| 16 |
by such cartels and most of those actions are formal
|
| 17 |
actions of the JFTC's dispositions.
|
| 18 |
Regarding private monopolization cases,
the
|
| 19 |
number of the private action is quite limited; however,
|
| 20 |
in the case of Hakodate Shimbun, which I just discussed
|
| 21 |
in my presentation, Hakodate Shimbun actually brought
|
| 22 |
this action before the Tokyo High Court ruled against
|
| 23 |
Hokkaido Shimbun for damages caused by Hokkaido
|
| 24 |
Shimbun's unlawful act. The case is still continuing.
|
| 25 |
Also, in addition to such damage action,
on
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occasion of recent amendment of the Act, the Dict
|
| 2 |
requested the government to expedite the consideration
|
| 3 |
of possible introduction of so-called collective action,
|
| 4 |
particularly for injunction of unfair trade practices.
|
| 5 |
Now, we are seeking the views of legal
experts
|
| 6 |
and making research on such systems in other
|
| 7 |
jurisdictions. We plan to come up with a conclusion on
|
| 8 |
this issue by the end of the next year, that is, by the
|
| 9 |
end of 2007.
|
| 10 |
That's all. Thank you.
|
| 11 |
MR. MASOUDI: Philip, I don't know, or
Sheridan,
|
| 12 |
if you have anything further to add on the issue of
|
| 13 |
remedies.
|
| 14 |
MS. SCOTT: I guess one of the issues we
discuss
|
| 15 |
sometimes is the value of having a specialized court
|
| 16 |
that determines these matters, where you would have
|
| 17 |
judges. As I said, our Competition Tribunal has a
|
| 18 |
combination of judges and laypersons, and the lay
|
| 19 |
persons have background in economics and accounting and
|
| 20 |
business, and we debate sometimes whether, if there were
|
| 21 |
damage provisions introduced into our legislation, would
|
| 22 |
it be more appropriate for the damages to be assessed by
|
| 23 |
the ordinary court or would it be more appropriate,
|
| 24 |
because these are economic issues, for the damages to be
|
| 25 |
assessed by a specialized tribunal.
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MR. LOWE: Just to make one distinction,
once we
|
| 2 |
have established liability, then there is a sanction,
|
| 3 |
and the sanction itself acts presumably in most
|
| 4 |
instances as a deterrent to future action of the same
|
| 5 |
kind, and normally speaking, it would be accompanied by
|
| 6 |
a cease and desist order on the particular practice
|
| 7 |
concerned.
|
| 8 |
Now, if we impose a fine, the assumption
is that
|
| 9 |
the corporation itself should reasonably have been aware
|
| 10 |
that it was in infringement of Article 82; therefore, it
|
| 11 |
is incumbent on us to prove that there was either
|
| 12 |
negligence or, indeed, intention in pursuing certain
|
| 13 |
practices.
|
| 14 |
As to the remedies, well, if you intervene
to
|
| 15 |
solve a market failure caused by an anticompetitive
|
| 16 |
practice and you think that practice cannot be resolved
|
| 17 |
and competition conditions cannot be restored to their
|
| 18 |
situation ex ante simply by a cease and desist order,
|
| 19 |
then it is incumbent on us to indicate what the remedy
|
| 20 |
should be, and that forms part of our decision. We have
|
| 21 |
done that in Microsoft. We haven't done it in 6 Tomra/
|
| 22 |
Prokent because the cease and desist order was
|
| 23 |
sufficient, and for AstraZeneca, which was an historical
|
| 24 |
situation. So, we have to assess whether the remedy
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will be effective.
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By the way, if a remedy cannot be identified
as
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effective, then that, in itself, could cause an agency
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to bring a case to an end.
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Finally, on private enforcement, you know
that
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it's very underdeveloped in Europe, that we are trying
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to develop that. Clearly, if we have proved an abuse,
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then the possibility of a follow-on action by private
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corporations or individuals increases the complex of
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deterrents which exists against anticompetitive
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behavior.
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MR. MASOUDI: Eduardo, in your present
--
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MR. NAKAJIMA: May I just --
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MR. MASOUDI: Sure, Mr. Nakajima.
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MR. NAKAJIMA: Let me make a short comment
about
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what Sheridan mentioned. Regarding damage action, the
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Antimonopoly Act has provisions that a court dealing
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with a private damage action can request the comments
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from JFTC on the damage or assessment of damages.
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Actually, in case of Hokkaido Shimbun,
I just
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referred to, after Hakodate Shimbun brought the damage
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action to the Tokyo High Court, Tokyo High Court
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requested JFTC to make a comment on how to assess the
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damages caused by the action of Hakodate Shimbun and
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then we submitted a comment to the Tokyo High Court.
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MR. MASOUDI: Eduardo, in your presentation,
you
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discuss how typification can provide legal certainty,
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and, of course, there are two kinds of typification that
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one can imagine, the first being to say that certain
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kinds of conduct are abusive, and another type of
|
| 5 |
typification, of course, would be to say that certain
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kinds of conduct will not be found to be abusive, and
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Philip, in your presentation, you touched on the issue
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of safe harbors, and I wonder if, perhaps starting with
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| 9 |
Sheridan down at the end, if each of you could discuss
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what, if any, safe harbors do you have in place, and
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what, if any, safe harbors has industry suggested to you
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| 12 |
might be helpful in allowing them to engage in
|
| 13 |
procompetitive conduct without fear of enforcement?
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MS. SCOTT: I think the issue of safe harbors
is
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all about predictability for the business community, in
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a sense, so that because so many of these Section 79
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type, abuse of dominance type acts, can be very
|
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procompetitive, and so when we think about safe harbors,
|
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we think, first of all, about market shares, because
|
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those are relatively easy to calculate, not completely
|
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easy, but relatively easy, and so there is some guidance
|
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that we issue through our enforcement guidelines and
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also that the Tribunal has put in place. I mentioned
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those in my remarks. The 35 percent and 50 percent are
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critical market share figures for us.
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But I think one can think about safe harbors
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also through the clarification of the law, the clearer
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what will be a contravention of our provisions is and
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| 4 |
the clearer it is to the business community where we are
|
| 5 |
going to take enforcement actions, that, too, acts like
|
| 6 |
a form of safe harbor that the business communities can
|
| 7 |
look to, and that's why we find this most recent
|
| 8 |
decision of the Federal Court of Appeal useful, because
|
| 9 |
it has gone into much more detail about how to look at
|
| 10 |
those specific tests that exist during legislation than
|
| 11 |
perhaps ever before.
|
| 12 |
Now, I personally have never had any requests
|
| 13 |
for specific safe harbors or specific guidance, but I do
|
| 14 |
know that the business community is very interested in
|
| 15 |
having as much predictability and understanding of where
|
| 16 |
we are enforcing the law as possible, and we certainly
|
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see that as part of our responsibilities.
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MR. MASOUDI: Thank you.
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Eduardo?
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MR. PEREZ MOTTA: Yeah, well, actually,
in our
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| 21 |
case, our law system obliges us to work in a very
|
| 22 |
detailed way in the legal text, and this is precisely
|
| 23 |
why we lost some cases by the courts, because in the
|
| 24 |
article -- that was Article 10, which is the one that
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| 25 |
typifies the relative practices, in the seventh
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paragraph, it had a broad definition. So, it said
|
| 2 |
something like "some other practices that could be found
|
| 3 |
by the Commission," and those were specified in the
|
| 4 |
rulings. So, the Court said, nope, that's not possible.
|
| 5 |
By the Constitution, you have to have each particular
|
| 6 |
practice very well defined in the law.
|
| 7 |
So, partly I think this is just because
of
|
| 8 |
clarity, legal certainty for economic operators.
|
| 9 |
Another is just because our legal system obliges us to
|
| 10 |
do it that way, but, of course, there is always a
|
| 11 |
problem that one has at least to put up with, which is
|
| 12 |
the fact that there is an evolution of economic
|
| 13 |
operators, and there is always a creativity going on,
|
| 14 |
and there are, of course, new practices that could be
|
| 15 |
created over time, and that's the challenge that you
|
| 16 |
have as a regulator, which is how to deal with new
|
| 17 |
circumstances, with new ideas, with talented business
|
| 18 |
people who create some other mechanisms to displace
|
| 19 |
competitors and that create an economic cost in the
|
| 20 |
society.
|
| 21 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you.
|
| 22 |
Mr. Nakajima?
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| 23 |
MR. NAKAJIMA: Thank you.
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| 24 |
As I already mentioned, JFTC has designated
|
| 25 |
several types of practices as unfair trade practices,
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and also, we have issued a series of guidelines which
|
| 2 |
clarified what kind of specific single-firm conduct
|
| 3 |
falls under unfair trade practices.
|
| 4 |
In addition, as Sheridan mentioned, accumulation
|
| 5 |
of relevant cases is, I think, helpful in further
|
| 6 |
enhancing predictability and legal certainty. Thank
|
| 7 |
you.
|
| 8 |
MR. MASOUDI: Philip, I don't know if you
have a
|
| 9 |
quick point to add to your previous comment.
|
| 10 |
MR. LOWE: Well, I think this goes to not
just
|
| 11 |
legal certainty, which dominates the guidelines, and
|
| 12 |
safe harbors, but also the focus of the work of the
|
| 13 |
competition agency. You have to decide, frankly, which
|
| 14 |
cases or investigations to concentrate on and in which
|
| 15 |
depth, and it seems to me that in the end, we will be
|
| 16 |
distinguishing between three broad categories of cases,
|
| 17 |
those where we can offer a safe harbor in the sense of
|
| 18 |
we will not be investigating, for example, cases below X
|
| 19 |
percent market share, because we believe that at that
|
| 20 |
level of market power, insofar as market share is an
|
| 21 |
indication of market power, there would be no prima
|
| 22 |
facie case of dominance, and therefore, abuse.
|
| 23 |
The second category, nevertheless, is
situations
|
| 24 |
where there could be, based upon market shares and other
|
| 25 |
indicators, a significant market power, but
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nevertheless, the level at which it is -- it could be
|
| 2 |
appraised could lead us to some control of specific
|
| 3 |
indicators and parameters which could be given as a
|
| 4 |
guideline to the business and legal community as to if
|
| 5 |
these parameters can be checked, then there would be a
|
| 6 |
presumption that there would be no problem.
|
| 7 |
And then as a third area, where we would
|
| 8 |
certainly have to investigate thoroughly, and, of
|
| 9 |
course, I have omitted also the black, per se, rule
|
| 10 |
possibility, which could exist, because we've got to
|
| 11 |
look at the combination of degrees of market power and
|
| 12 |
the abuse concerned, but there could in certain
|
| 13 |
categories be some types of abuse with a certain degree
|
| 14 |
of market power which we could say from the start would
|
| 15 |
be unacceptable, and the bright light of Areeda-Turner
|
| 16 |
and the AKZO (ph) rules in our jurisdiction is an
|
| 17 |
indication of how we can do that in predation.
|
| 18 |
We have tended in our discussion paper
to leave
|
| 19 |
things slightly too open in our view and just to reserve
|
| 20 |
on the possibility of the need to intervene. I don't
|
| 21 |
think we need to be quite so prudent in our final
|
| 22 |
drafting of guidelines.
|
| 23 |
MR. TRITELL: Thanks.
|
| 24 |
I'll ask two concluding questions and
get brief
|
| 25 |
reactions, the first on defenses, in particular
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efficiencies, which several of you have touched on in
|
| 2 |
your presentations. Maybe we can go a little bit deeper
|
| 3 |
into how you analyze efficiencies and when they come
|
| 4 |
into the analysis; in particular, whether you regard the
|
| 5 |
analysis of efficiencies as integrated into the
|
| 6 |
examination of whether there has been an abuse or
|
| 7 |
whether, having found an abuse, efficiencies come in as
|
| 8 |
a defense, and if so, by what standards you determine
|
| 9 |
whether the efficiencies are sufficient to overcome what
|
| 10 |
would otherwise be a finding of abuse.
|
| 11 |
I'll invite anyone who would like to make
any
|
| 12 |
comments on that point.
|
| 13 |
Sheridan?
|
| 14 |
MS. SCOTT: Sure, I'm happy to start on
that.
|
| 15 |
This is actually part of any decision that we found
|
| 16 |
particularly valuable.
|
| 17 |
As I was explaining, there are three elements
to
|
| 18 |
our test. There is first a dominance element. The
|
| 19 |
second element -- and one should see these as sort of
|
| 20 |
screens, I guess, running through the assessment of
|
| 21 |
Section 79. The second one is looking at the purpose of
|
| 22 |
the Act, and I was mentioning in my remarks that we look
|
| 23 |
at whether the purpose has an exclusionary, disciplinary
|
| 24 |
or predatory effect or impact vis-a-vis competitors.
|
| 25 |
There is always a worry, we shouldn't be looking at
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competitors, and certainly at the Bureau, we are looking
|
| 2 |
at lessening competition but that's the third element of
|
| 3 |
our test.
|
| 4 |
The second element is the screen we put
out
|
| 5 |
looking at whether the purpose is vis-a-vis a
|
| 6 |
competitor, and what the Court does, it looks at the
|
| 7 |
overall purpose of the act to decide whether the purpose
|
| 8 |
is exclusionary, disciplinary or predatory, and then it
|
| 9 |
will look at subjective intent, which is hard to find.
|
| 10 |
It then looks at the effects on the competitor, because
|
| 11 |
one is assumed to intend the consequences of one's act,
|
| 12 |
and if we find that the person has an exclusionary,
|
| 13 |
predatory or disciplinary purpose against a competitor,
|
| 14 |
in effect, that's when efficiencies come into play.
|
| 15 |
So, the defendant can say, no, no, the
purpose
|
| 16 |
of the act was not exclusionary, disciplinary or
|
| 17 |
predatory; the purpose of the act was procompetitive or
|
| 18 |
the rationale is a greater efficiency. So, it comes in
|
| 19 |
at this second element, and it can then be used to
|
| 20 |
defeat that second element of the three-part test that
|
| 21 |
we have. So, it goes to the purpose of the act.
|
| 22 |
I think this is sort of along the same
|
| 23 |
wavelength as the no economic sense test that one
|
| 24 |
sometimes sees. You're trying to get at the same sort
|
| 25 |
of matters. Why did this act take place? Does it have
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any economic sense? Well, we sort of look at it saying,
|
| 2 |
well, if it has an exclusionary, disciplinary or
|
| 3 |
predatory purpose, that's suggesting to us that it
|
| 4 |
didn't have an economic purpose, but then the company in
|
| 5 |
question is allowed to come back to explain -- no, it
|
| 6 |
did make economic sense because we had some efficiency
|
| 7 |
reasons or some procompetitive reasons for carrying out
|
| 8 |
this conduct.
|
| 9 |
MR. PEREZ MOTTA: Well, in our case,
|
| 10 |
efficiencies analysis were part of the reform that was
|
| 11 |
just made recently, and it comes in two ways. First,
|
| 12 |
that the conduct positively influenced the process of
|
| 13 |
competition and free market access, that's the first
|
| 14 |
analysis that you have to make, and second, that the
|
| 15 |
benefits for consumers, to consumers, outweigh the
|
| 16 |
anticompetitive effects which could arise from these
|
| 17 |
practices. So, that's how, in our law, the analysis of
|
| 18 |
efficiencies is approached.
|
| 19 |
Of course, the details of all of this
will have
|
| 20 |
to come in the rulings which we are in the process of
|
| 21 |
developing. So, we have the reforms of the law. We
|
| 22 |
will need to change the rulings, and the case for that
|
| 23 |
will have to take place in those rulings.
|
| 24 |
MR. NAKAJIMA: In our country for private
|
| 25 |
monopolies or unfair trade practice, it is essential to
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determine whether specific conduct has substantially
|
| 2 |
restricted competition in the market or attempted to
|
| 3 |
impede fair competition in the market. As such, in our
|
| 4 |
nation, in the case of private monopolization or unfair
|
| 5 |
trade practices, an efficiency is not something which we
|
| 6 |
directly evaluate.
|
| 7 |
However, of course, in considering relevant
|
| 8 |
factors comprehensively, we need to pay due attention to
|
| 9 |
the issue of whether concerned conduct is actually a
|
| 10 |
legitimate or normal business behavior, business
|
| 11 |
activities, though I would say in our nation, efficiency
|
| 12 |
is not so much paid attention so far in our cases.
|
| 13 |
Thank you.
|
| 14 |
MR. LOWE: I've referred initially to the
need
|
| 15 |
for a test of dominance as a prima facie -- at least a
|
| 16 |
screen for a subsequent in-depth analysis of alleged
|
| 17 |
abuse, and I say this perhaps more personally than my
|
| 18 |
agency for the moment, because we haven't written the
|
| 19 |
final version of our guidelines. We would regard the
|
| 20 |
assessment, in-depth assessment of an alleged abuse of a
|
| 21 |
dominant firm and its possible objective justification
|
| 22 |
of efficiencies, as an integrated one but not
|
| 23 |
necessarily one which has a specific chronology. It
|
| 24 |
nevertheless is an iterative process.
|
| 25 |
It starts off with the plaintiff and/or
the
|
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agency alleging abuse, affording evidence, collecting
|
| 2 |
evidence with respect to the anticompetitive effect with
|
| 3 |
consumer harm of the practice concerned. Then it is
|
| 4 |
certainly incumbent on the defendant to show that the
|
| 5 |
practices cannot be regarded as abuses because they have
|
| 6 |
either an objective justification or they have
|
| 7 |
efficiencies which are passed on to consumers.
|
| 8 |
In the final analysis, it is for the agency,
if
|
| 9 |
it is to uphold a decision against the firm, to balance
|
| 10 |
the probability of the actual likely anticompetitive
|
| 11 |
effects against the supposed benefits which the
|
| 12 |
defendant firm puts forward. So, in a sense,
|
| 13 |
intellectually speaking, this is an integrated
|
| 14 |
assessment. There is no specific chronology as to how
|
| 15 |
one reaches the final result; however, there are
|
| 16 |
specific responsibilities on the agency and the
|
| 17 |
plaintiff and on the defendant and finally on the agency
|
| 18 |
to balance the process.
|
| 19 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you.
|
| 20 |
I think given the time, we will close
this
|
| 21 |
morning's session, which I have found extremely valuable
|
| 22 |
and I know will be very valuable in informing our
|
| 23 |
hearings process. At this point we will adjourn. We
|
| 24 |
will reconvene at 1:30. I hope you will be able to join
|
| 25 |
us for what will be a superb panel with four members
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from the private sector. So, at this point I would just
|
| 2 |
ask you to join Jerry and me in expressing our
|
| 3 |
appreciation to our excellent panel this morning.
|
| 4 |
(Applause.)
|
| 5 |
(Whereupon, at 12:14 p.m., a lunch recess
was
|
| 6 |
taken.)
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AFTERNOON SESSION
|
| 2 |
(1:30 p.m.)
|
| 3 |
MR. TRITELL: Thank you for assembling
back
|
| 4 |
promptly at 1:30 as we begin the second session of our
|
| 5 |
hearings today. I apologize to those who have already
|
| 6 |
endured these announcements this morning, but I am
|
| 7 |
compelled to repeat them, so here we go.
|
| 8 |
Again, I am Randy Tritell, the Assistant
|
| 9 |
Director for International Antitrust at the Federal
|
| 10 |
Trade Commission, and I will be moderating this session
|
| 11 |
along with Jerry Masoudi, the Deputy Assistant Attorney
|
| 12 |
General from the Department of Justice, which is
|
| 13 |
co-sponsoring these hearings with the FTC.
|
| 14 |
For our housekeeping matters, I ask everybody
|
| 15 |
again to turn off cell phones, Blackberries, and other
|
| 16 |
devices. The restrooms may be found outside of the
|
| 17 |
double doors across the lobby. If you hear alarms,
|
| 18 |
proceed calmly to the lobby, follow the FTC employees to
|
| 19 |
their gathering point, and wait for further
|
| 20 |
instructions.
|
| 21 |
This afternoon will consist of presentations
by
|
| 22 |
our panelists and interchange with the moderators, but
|
| 23 |
we will not be able to provide an opportunity for any
|
| 24 |
audience interchange at this session.
|
| 25 |
I want to reiterate the thanks of this
morning
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to all the FTC and DOJ staff who worked hard to organize
|
| 2 |
this hearing.
|
| 3 |
This afternoon, we are very honored to
have a
|
| 4 |
distinguished panel of practitioners and academics.
|
| 5 |
They are going to provide their perspectives on how
|
| 6 |
multinational companies deal with diverse antitrust
|
| 7 |
regimes around the world, especially as they relate to
|
| 8 |
the application of antitrust laws to single-firm conduct
|
| 9 |
and abuses of dominance.
|
| 10 |
We have with us George Addy, Margaret
Bloom,
|
| 11 |
Phil Lugard, and Jim Rill, who Jerry will introduce at
|
| 12 |
greater length, and I also direct your attention to the
|
| 13 |
packet of biographical materials that are outside the
|
| 14 |
room.
|
| 15 |
This is the fourth in the series of ongoing
|
| 16 |
hearings by the agencies, looking at single-firm
|
| 17 |
conduct. We've had an opening session on June 20th,
|
| 18 |
followed by a session on June 22nd on predatory pricing
|
| 19 |
and predatory buying, and on July 18th, on unilateral
|
| 20 |
refusals to deal. There are transcripts and other
|
| 21 |
materials from those sessions available on the DOJ and
|
| 22 |
the FTC web sites.
|
| 23 |
We are going to ask each of our panelists
to
|
| 24 |
speak for about 10 to 15 minutes to make an initial
|
| 25 |
presentation. We will then take a break. When we
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return from the break, we will invite the panelists to
|
| 2 |
react to both what they've heard this morning from the
|
| 3 |
government session and to each other's presentations,
|
| 4 |
followed by a discussion that Jerry and I will
|
| 5 |
co-moderate, and we're scheduled to wind up at about
|
| 6 |
4:00.
|
| 7 |
So, with that, let me turn the podium
over to
|
| 8 |
Jerry Masoudi.
|
| 9 |
MR. MASOUDI: Our first speaker today will
be
|
| 10 |
George Addy. George heads the Competition and
|
| 11 |
International Trade Group at Davies Ward Phillips &
|
| 12 |
Vineberg, LLP in Toronto. Before joining the firm,
|
| 13 |
Mr. Addy was head of the Mergers Branch of Canada's
|
| 14 |
Competition Bureau from 1989 to 1993 and was appointed
|
| 15 |
by the Canadian Cabinet to head the Competition Bureau
|
| 16 |
in 1993. He's a director of the Canadian Chamber of
|
| 17 |
Commerce and chairs its Policy Committee. He's also a
|
| 18 |
Vice-Chairman and Member of the Executive Board of
|
| 19 |
Business and Industry Advisory Committee to the OECD,
|
| 20 |
otherwise known as BIAC.
|
| 21 |
Mr. Addy?
|
| 22 |
MR. ADDY: Thank you.
|
| 23 |
Thank you, Jerry. It's indeed an honor
for me
|
| 24 |
to be here today, and it's also an honor to share the
|
| 25 |
spotlight with such a distinguished panel, so thank you.
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I would just add that I am going to try
to bring
|
| 2 |
to my comments a perspective not only from my public
|
| 3 |
sector experience but private sector experience and
|
| 4 |
business experience. Hopefully my comments will either
|
| 5 |
inform the debate or at the very least be provocative.
|
| 6 |
At the outset, it's important for us to
recall
|
| 7 |
the role of antitrust or competition agencies and their
|
| 8 |
related institutions, and I roll into "related agencies"
|
| 9 |
that the courts and tribunals and so on, are to play,
|
| 10 |
and I think Chairman Majoras on the first day put it
|
| 11 |
well. She said the FTC and Antitrust Division have the
|
| 12 |
responsibility to "ensure that competition in U.S.
|
| 13 |
markets is free of distortion and that consumers are
|
| 14 |
protected not from markets but through markets
|
| 15 |
unburdened by anticompetitive conduct and
|
| 16 |
government-imposed restrictions," and that last bit is
|
| 17 |
something I'll come back to. I would include within
|
| 18 |
"government-imposed restrictions" overly aggressive
|
| 19 |
enforcement in this area of the law, and I'll tell you a
|
| 20 |
bit more about that in a moment. But that type of
|
| 21 |
characterization of what the roles of the institutions
|
| 22 |
are applies equally to Canada, and frankly, I expect in
|
| 23 |
other jurisdictions.
|
| 24 |
The issue we're dealing with is obviously
a
|
| 25 |
serious one. We wouldn't be having these hearings if it
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wasn't. We live in a world and era characterized by
|
| 2 |
globalized markets and increasing concentration levels
|
| 3 |
in many sectors. Ensuring the right approach to
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assessing allegations of abuse in this context is
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critical. It's not only important from the perspective
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of economic rents, who gets them, but it also poses a
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challenge, the globalization of entities and conduct
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poses a challenge to domestic antitrust agencies,
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competition agencies, who must enforce their domestic
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law in that environment, and there are many challenges
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that flow from that.
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One of the issues in trying to grapple
with that
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challenge is trying to balance the tension that arises
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between the desire for very defined and detailed and
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predictable rules that will readily identify an
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unacceptable abusive conduct and the fact that most of
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the conduct that falls within this gray zone is,
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frankly, procompetitive and should not be inadvertently
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chilled. So, the theme of my remarks today is
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essentially as consideration is given to the various
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presentations at these hearings, one should be very
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cautious about what you do with that information by the
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way of changing your enforcement practices. So, with
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that backdrop, a few brief comments.
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First, a few cases are obvious in this
area,
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obviously problematic, most are not. The practice or
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behavior that we are trying to target is conduct which
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lies in the gray zone between acceptable and
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unacceptable. The cases outside the zone, frankly,
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everybody can spot them. What we're dealing with here
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is this gray zone, and I think when you compare these
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provisions to other provisions of the competition laws,
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be they conspiracy provisions or even merger provisions,
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there's a lot more gray in the spectrum when you're
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dealing with potentially abusive behavior than there is
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in some of the these other areas.
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That grayness was recognized by our Canadian
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Parliament in 1986 when they decriminalized the
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provision and converted it into what we call a
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reviewable practice, and Sheridan Scott took you through
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some of that background this morning. There is no
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presumption in our law, rebuttable or otherwise, that
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any particular conduct is unlawful. Market behavior is
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subject to study by the Commissioner, and if the
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Commissioner has a problem with the behavior, the
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behavior is then brought before an administrative
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tribunal for an adjudication in an adversarial,
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litigious process, and that tribunal in Canada is a
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mixture of lay and judicial members.
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The choice of the Tribunal being structured
that
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way in Canada was not accidental; it was deliberate.
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Given the nature of the conduct subject to challenge
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under the Act, Parliament thought it wise to have the
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adjudication benefit not only from judicial members
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bringing the legal expertise to the table, but also the
|
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business people who would be perhaps closer to the world
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of business and business decision-making.
|
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As a side observation, one of the criticisms
I
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would bring to the way the model has worked to date is
|
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we haven't heard enough from the lay members of the
|
| 11 |
Tribunal. It tends to be a very, very judicialized
|
| 12 |
process, perhaps overly so.
|
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The second comment I would make is that
there is
|
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going to be a tension or a battle between a desire for
|
| 15 |
predictability and the need for some flexibility or
|
| 16 |
uncertainty. It will, indeed, be difficult to reconcile
|
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the desire of many participants, and among those are
|
| 18 |
included counsel, business people, even competition
|
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agencies, to have clear and detailed rules that provide
|
| 20 |
predictability of treatment of behavior under antitrust
|
| 21 |
scrutiny with the need for some flexibility on the part
|
| 22 |
of the agencies and creative competition and freedom and
|
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a healthy measure of uncertainty in the marketplace.
|
| 24 |
Trying to develop general principles to
guide
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agencies and businesses faced with this behavior with a
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better understanding is a very, very worthwhile pursuit,
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| 2 |
and the principles outlined earlier on in these hearings
|
| 3 |
by Chairman Majoras and Assistant AG Barnett are an
|
| 4 |
excellent place to begin, and perhaps those principles
|
| 5 |
can be refined even further, but I don't think we should
|
| 6 |
expect the kind of detail or precision that some
|
| 7 |
proponents might advocate.
|
| 8 |
There's already been testimony earlier
in these
|
| 9 |
proceedings about potential problems associated with
|
| 10 |
various tests, whether it's the "but for," the "no
|
| 11 |
economic sense" or any other test. There's also been
|
| 12 |
evidence of some problems with the tools used. The
|
| 13 |
transcripts of those proceedings were actually quite
|
| 14 |
entertaining to read in preparation for today, whether
|
| 15 |
it's marginal or variable cost or what have you.
|
| 16 |
I think what that tells you is that whatever
|
| 17 |
tool you pick, there's going to be controversy and
|
| 18 |
there's not going to be the certainty that some people
|
| 19 |
might be seeking. There is no -- as somebody mentioned
|
| 20 |
this morning -- there is no Holy Grail. So, while many
|
| 21 |
of the tools and screening devices will be helpful, and
|
| 22 |
frankly, they will probably keep many of us in
|
| 23 |
government and the private sector gainfully employed for
|
| 24 |
the foreseeable future, I think we shouldn't lose
|
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sight -- and particularly in this post-Enron/ WorldCom
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environment we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that
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| 2 |
understanding business behavior is a lot more than just
|
| 3 |
doing arithmetic, and whatever screening device you use,
|
| 4 |
cost measure or otherwise, you have to be very, very
|
| 5 |
sensitive to the broader needs of the analysis, and one
|
| 6 |
of those issues obviously is intent.
|
| 7 |
There's also, as I mentioned, a lot of
merit in
|
| 8 |
providing guidance through guidelines or elaborating on
|
| 9 |
general principles, just as the competition regimes of
|
| 10 |
the world have proliferated, and that has driven an
|
| 11 |
increase in the need for guidance across the sector, the
|
| 12 |
business communities, counsel, et cetera, on what the
|
| 13 |
law is meant to do.
|
| 14 |
It's also provided a lot of learning to
people
|
| 15 |
on potential strategic uses of competition law, and to
|
| 16 |
the extent that guidelines or safe harbors can be
|
| 17 |
developed, I think it would serve a dual purpose of
|
| 18 |
informing people who want to engage in legitimate
|
| 19 |
behavior and also perhaps foreclose strategic litigation
|
| 20 |
in this area.
|
| 21 |
In Canada, as Sheridan mentioned, we do
not have
|
| 22 |
private actions in this area of the law. I think part
|
| 23 |
of the resistance behind that is the concern about the
|
| 24 |
chill and strategic use of that type of litigation.
|
| 25 |
Indeed, when the Act was amended a few years ago to
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allow very limited private access to the Tribunal,
|
| 2 |
procedural screens were developed and limitations on
|
| 3 |
remedies were introduced to minimize the strategic
|
| 4 |
litigation type of risk.
|
| 5 |
My third comment is that the risk of chill
is
|
| 6 |
real, and the economic costs associated with
|
| 7 |
inappropriate or inadvertent chilling of legitimate and
|
| 8 |
competitive conduct is in my view significant, but I
|
| 9 |
readily admit it's very, very difficult to measure. I
|
| 10 |
will give you just one little illustration, and to
|
| 11 |
protect the innocent it won't be in the antitrust area.
|
| 12 |
It has to do with in the telecom field,
|
| 13 |
actually, when I was a senior executive with a teleco in
|
| 14 |
Canada, we were at a meeting and we had to decide what
|
| 15 |
to do. We had about a hundred million dollars to
|
| 16 |
invest, and the discussion came up about where are we
|
| 17 |
going to invest that money. It wasn't a long
|
| 18 |
discussion, and the decision was ultimately made --
|
| 19 |
Margaret, you will appreciate this -- to invest in the
|
| 20 |
UK. And why? The decision wasn't that the rate of
|
| 21 |
return from the investment would be better. The main
|
| 22 |
driver behind the decision was the perception -- and I
|
| 23 |
think a valid one -- that at that time, at least, the UK
|
| 24 |
teleco regulators were a lot more business and market
|
| 25 |
friendly than the Canadian ones.
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I use that illustration to underscore
how
|
| 2 |
important the perception of the enforcement of this area
|
| 3 |
of the law is to business and decision-makers. I think
|
| 4 |
it was Doug Melamed who mentioned, and I echo his views,
|
| 5 |
that the signals you send to the business community are
|
| 6 |
much more important, frankly, than whether the case is
|
| 7 |
right or wrong. I want to underscore the importance of
|
| 8 |
that chilling.
|
| 9 |
The chill not only affects the parties
who may
|
| 10 |
be subject to that particular enforcement action or
|
| 11 |
their affiliates or competitors in the same field, but
|
| 12 |
it also extends to those observers of the trade, people
|
| 13 |
in other markets, people in other industries, counsel,
|
| 14 |
advisers, who see the outcome of these proceedings and
|
| 15 |
are then chilled in their behavior, you know, "I don't
|
| 16 |
want to get drawn into that lengthy kind of litigation
|
| 17 |
by even coming close to what may or may not be
|
| 18 |
permissible." So, that's another type of chill that we
|
| 19 |
have to watch out for.
|
| 20 |
I just want to be sensitive to time here.
I
|
| 21 |
guess we have heard from many witnesses today as well
|
| 22 |
that the goal of antitrust is to protect competition and
|
| 23 |
not competitors. That theme is well enshrined in the
|
| 24 |
guidelines that Sheridan was mentioning earlier today,
|
| 25 |
and to make it patently clear, "the objective of the
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abuse provisions is to promote efficient competition,
|
| 2 |
effective competition, and not the interests of any one
|
| 3 |
competitor or group of competitors. The provisions are
|
| 4 |
not intended to be used to attempt to tilt the playing
|
| 5 |
field in favor of market participants, who, for example,
|
| 6 |
lack the ability to compete with a more efficient or
|
| 7 |
better managed rival."
|
| 8 |
The take-away from that in this portion
of my
|
| 9 |
remarks is that only in the clearest cases should
|
| 10 |
enforcement agencies intervene. To the extent that
|
| 11 |
there's any doubt as to the competitive legitimacy of
|
| 12 |
some behavior, I think more often than not the doubt
|
| 13 |
should be resolved in favor of the potential defendant
|
| 14 |
or target.
|
| 15 |
So, in response to Assistant Attorney
General
|
| 16 |
Barnett's question, whether agencies should be more or
|
| 17 |
less aggressive in this area, I would urge caution, and
|
| 18 |
I will answer that as a yes, they should tend towards
|
| 19 |
being less aggressive.
|
| 20 |
This notion of risk was also addressed
in one
|
| 21 |
case by the Competition Tribunal, language that sort of
|
| 22 |
tracks Trinko, where they said, "It would not be in the
|
| 23 |
public interest to prevent or hamper even dominant firms
|
| 24 |
in an effort to compete on the merits. Competition,
|
| 25 |
even tough competition, is not to be enjoined by the
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Tribunal but rather only anticompetitive competition.
|
| 2 |
Decisions by the Tribunal restricting competitive action
|
| 3 |
on the grounds that the action is of overwhelming
|
| 4 |
intensity would send a chilling message about
|
| 5 |
competition, that is, in our view, not consistent with
|
| 6 |
the purposes of the Act."
|
| 7 |
The statistics on enforcement history
in Canada
|
| 8 |
I think reflects this concern about dominance. The
|
| 9 |
earlier cases -- and if people want to hear about them,
|
| 10 |
we can deal with them later -- were clearly ones in my
|
| 11 |
mind that were at the obvious end of the scale. They
|
| 12 |
weren't even -- they may have been charcoal but
|
| 13 |
definitely not gray, and we have had five contested
|
| 14 |
cases in the 20 years since the legislation was adopted.
|
| 15 |
Orders were issued in four. The fifth is under -- is
|
| 16 |
the one, the Canada Pipe case, and it's likely -- how
|
| 17 |
can I put this -- it's likely that an appeal to the
|
| 18 |
Supreme Court of Canada will be sought in that case.
|
| 19 |
The last comment I will share with you
is, as
|
| 20 |
Sheridan Scott took you through the tests, is there
|
| 21 |
dominance, is there an anticompetitive purpose, has it
|
| 22 |
reached the effects threshold, that this concern about
|
| 23 |
the chill is reflected in that section, because at the
|
| 24 |
very end, even if you've met all of these three tests,
|
| 25 |
the Tribunal is still left with the discretion not to
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issue an order. It's not a "shall." It's "the Tribunal
|
| 2 |
may." So, I think that's reflective of concern by
|
| 3 |
Parliament of this chill, and with that, I will turn the
|
| 4 |
mike over to Margaret.
|
| 5 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you, George.
|
| 6 |
(Applause.)
|
| 7 |
MR. MASOUDI: Our next speaker will be
Margaret
|
| 8 |
Bloom. Margaret is a visiting professor in the School
|
| 9 |
of Law at King's College of London and is Senior
|
| 10 |
Consultant at Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer. Between
|
| 11 |
1998 and 2003, Ms. Bloom was Director of Competition
|
| 12 |
Enforcement at the United Kingdom's Office of Fair
|
| 13 |
Trading, where she headed the Competition Enforcement
|
| 14 |
Division. Before joining OFT, Ms. Bloom worked in the
|
| 15 |
United Kingdom's Cabinet Office and Department of Trade
|
| 16 |
and Industry on Privatization, Competition Policy, and
|
| 17 |
Public Sector Finance. She was Vice-Chair of the OECD
|
| 18 |
Competition Committee for six years, and she is a
|
| 19 |
Commander of the Order of the British Empire based on
|
| 20 |
her work at the Office of Fair Trading. Very
|
| 21 |
impressive, Margaret.
|
| 22 |
MS. BLOOM: Thank you, Jerry. I'm pleased
to be
|
| 23 |
here today to present some experience from overseas.
|
| 24 |
There are three areas I am going to talk about.
|
| 25 |
Firstly, look at the question of whether all
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jurisdictions should have the same approach to
|
| 2 |
single-firm conduct, then look at some action to
|
| 3 |
increase convergence worldwide in the treatment of
|
| 4 |
single-firm conduct, and then spend a bit more time in
|
| 5 |
drawing some lessons which come from all the discussion
|
| 6 |
there's been in Europe on the review of Article 82.
|
| 7 |
So, turning to the first question, should
all
|
| 8 |
jurisdictions who are addressing single-firm conduct
|
| 9 |
take the same approach? Let's make the assumption --
|
| 10 |
and it's just an assumption -- that every jurisdiction
|
| 11 |
applying single-firm conduct is seeking to maximize
|
| 12 |
consumer welfare. I know that's not necessarily the
|
| 13 |
position, but assume it is. In that circumstance,
|
| 14 |
should they all approach single-firm conduct in exactly
|
| 15 |
the same way, or should there be some differences in
|
| 16 |
order to maximize consumer welfare worldwide? I think
|
| 17 |
there are some small differences, though I think they're
|
| 18 |
not nearly enough to explain the different approaches
|
| 19 |
between jurisdictions.
|
| 20 |
My first set of differences is, if you
compare
|
| 21 |
the United States with Europe and you look at the market
|
| 22 |
structures, in Europe, there are a fair number of
|
| 23 |
powerful companies that were formerly state-owned
|
| 24 |
monopolies. They did not become powerful; they didn't
|
| 25 |
become dominant because they were so successful through
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rivalry in the marketplace. They were awarded a state
|
| 2 |
monopoly.
|
| 3 |
Secondly, if you look at Europe, many
of the
|
| 4 |
markets are just national markets, so they are quite
|
| 5 |
small. Certainly in some of the Member States, you may
|
| 6 |
have very few significant players in these smaller
|
| 7 |
markets. If you have that sort of market structure
|
| 8 |
compared with the U.S., where the big firms have more
|
| 9 |
won their position by being successful in the
|
| 10 |
marketplace and there's much more rivalry within a
|
| 11 |
market, should enforcers take a closer look at
|
| 12 |
single-firm conduct in Europe? Probably yes. Should
|
| 13 |
they intervene a bit more readily? Possibly. I think
|
| 14 |
there could be some grounds for it.
|
| 15 |
Let's look at a second point. A number
of
|
| 16 |
commentators have said that in the U.S., because of the
|
| 17 |
attraction of treble damages suits, the courts have
|
| 18 |
sought to narrow the application of Section 2. We
|
| 19 |
haven't had the same pressure in Europe. There are very
|
| 20 |
few private actions before the courts. If there are
|
| 21 |
more private actions in the future, might that lead the
|
| 22 |
national courts to seek to narrow the application of
|
| 23 |
Article 82? Possibly, but we're never going to have
|
| 24 |
anything like the extent of private actions, I guess,
|
| 25 |
that you have here.
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As I say, I think these are relatively
small
|
| 2 |
reasons for the differences. The main reason for the
|
| 3 |
differences between jurisdictions probably lies with the
|
| 4 |
different judgment over what's the right balance between
|
| 5 |
false negatives and false positives. Personally, I
|
| 6 |
think the U.S. is right to be duly nervous about false
|
| 7 |
positives. I think in Europe, we're a bit too ready to
|
| 8 |
intervene too often.
|
| 9 |
Okay, let's look at the next area. What
action
|
| 10 |
might be taken to increase convergence worldwide?
|
| 11 |
Clearly there's already a lot of work being done through
|
| 12 |
the ICN, the OECD, the U.S. agencies and others. I just
|
| 13 |
want to touch on three areas which from my personal
|
| 14 |
experience are particularly valuable in terms of
|
| 15 |
increasing convergence.
|
| 16 |
The first one is training and sharing
|
| 17 |
experience. I think the direct training and sharing
|
| 18 |
between enforcers so that they can work with other
|
| 19 |
enforcers in other jurisdictions is extremely valuable.
|
| 20 |
It's a very good way of helping to understand why other
|
| 21 |
countries and other jurisdictions are doing things
|
| 22 |
differently and maybe make you think, well, perhaps I
|
| 23 |
should learn from that one, and two examples of this are
|
| 24 |
in the area of cartels and in mergers.
|
| 25 |
Firstly, in cartels, the International
Cartel
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Enforcers workshops that were initiated by the
|
| 2 |
Department of Justice, then a year later, the Office of
|
| 3 |
Fair Trading in the UK hosted the workshop, and the
|
| 4 |
following year, the Canadian Bureau in Canada. They
|
| 5 |
were all involved enforcers exchanging experience
|
| 6 |
actively among each other. On the merger side, my
|
| 7 |
example is from the ICN Investigative Techniques for
|
| 8 |
Mergers workshop.
|
| 9 |
The second area is guidelines. The ICN
Merger
|
| 10 |
Guidelines Workbook that was launched this year at the
|
| 11 |
annual conference in Capetown, is an extremely good
|
| 12 |
document. It was put together through extensive work by
|
| 13 |
experienced agencies and the private sector. It's been
|
| 14 |
very well received, not only by developing countries,
|
| 15 |
but also by experienced individuals in developed
|
| 16 |
countries, and I know of at least one law firm in which
|
| 17 |
the associates find it very useful in knowing how to
|
| 18 |
address competitive effects in mergers.
|
| 19 |
So, thinking about that workbook, I was
|
| 20 |
reflecting on the fact, how do other countries learn
|
| 21 |
about the good U.S. practice in relation to single-firm
|
| 22 |
conduct? I know you have plenty of case law with
|
| 23 |
judgments and opinions, and you've got lots and lots of
|
| 24 |
books and articles, but there's no user friendly
|
| 25 |
guideline. It is actually remarkably difficult for
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people overseas, unless they are going to spend a long
|
| 2 |
time reading a lot of material, to get a proper feel of
|
| 3 |
how one should go about conducting a single-firm conduct
|
| 4 |
analysis, what kind of cases you should take and you
|
| 5 |
shouldn't take.
|
| 6 |
You should not overestimate the knowledge
|
| 7 |
overseas of what is taking place in the United States,
|
| 8 |
and I know that the American Bar Association is strongly
|
| 9 |
encouraging the European Commission to issue guidelines
|
| 10 |
on Article 82 when the current discussion is complete.
|
| 11 |
The last area is staff exchanges, and
in that
|
| 12 |
I'm talking about exchanges of staff between agencies.
|
| 13 |
That's quite common in Europe. It may either be between
|
| 14 |
the national agencies and staff may move for a
|
| 15 |
relatively small period of time, or it may be between
|
| 16 |
the national agencies and the European Commission. It's
|
| 17 |
another very good mechanism in increasing knowledge and
|
| 18 |
understanding. If it was possible for the American
|
| 19 |
agencies to take part in that I think it would be very
|
| 20 |
valuable. I recognize it's quite a challenge, but it
|
| 21 |
would be very valuable if it's possible.
|
| 22 |
Let me then turn to the lessons. These
lessons
|
| 23 |
are from the Article 82 review. They are not
|
| 24 |
necessarily all going to be adopted in the review, but
|
| 25 |
they are lessons which I've personally drawn in terms of
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thinking about what would be some sound rules for good
|
| 2 |
single-firm conduct enforcement. There are eight of
|
| 3 |
these.
|
| 4 |
The first one is you need clear objectives
on
|
| 5 |
what you're seeking to do. The Article 82 discussion
|
| 6 |
paper says that the objective is to enhance consumer
|
| 7 |
welfare and efficiency. Theses are clearly good
|
| 8 |
objectives. Though I must admit that throughout the
|
| 9 |
discussion paper, it isn't entirely obvious in places
|
| 10 |
that those objectives are the ones that would be
|
| 11 |
achieved by some of the proposals in the paper.
|
| 12 |
More of a problem, and Philip Lowe mentioned
|
| 13 |
this this morning, is the fact that much of the European
|
| 14 |
case law is influenced by other objectives, in
|
| 15 |
particular, protecting the structure of competition and
|
| 16 |
protecting the rights and opportunities of market
|
| 17 |
operators, not obviously a perfect match for enhancing
|
| 18 |
consumer welfare.
|
| 19 |
Lesson number two, before any intervention,
|
| 20 |
there should be a plausible theory of consumer harm.
|
| 21 |
This may be actual harm, possibly it will be likely
|
| 22 |
harm, because that's easier to demonstrate than actual
|
| 23 |
harm, but you must have a plausible theory before you
|
| 24 |
should be able to intervene or before a plaintiff will
|
| 25 |
succeed in a court.
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The third lesson, avoid overly complicated
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rules. Even if the economics indicate that a perfect
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rule, for example, for discount would be some rather
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complicated measure, that's not going to work
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effectively for business, and also it will probably be
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difficult for a agency.
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Fourth, efficiency benefits should be
assessed,
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but they should be a part of the analysis of conduct.
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They shouldn't be just a limited defense.
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Number five, use safe harbors rather than
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presumptions of dominance or presumptions of monopoly
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power or presumptions of abuse. The reason why I would
|
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suggest safe harbors rather than presumptions is that as
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long as the safe harbors are large enough, they are
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going to give business certainty. On the whole, it's
|
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likely to be more economically rational to have a safe
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harbor than a presumption. Also, if there is a
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presumption, you should not reverse the burden of proof
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and then put it on the company or on the defendant.
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Let me just give you two examples of safe
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harbors in the question of substantial market power,
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dominance or monopoly power. Assuming you can define
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the market in single-firm conduct, and that's a pretty
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tough assumption, but say you have got a reasonable idea
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of the market. If the firm has a low market share, it
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cannot have substantial market power because you've got
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plenty of existing competitors. But if a firm has a
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high market share, it is not a safe presumption that it
|
| 4 |
has substantial market power. There may be low barriers
|
| 5 |
to entry so that they've got potential competitors.
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There might be buyer power.
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| 7 |
If you turn to abuses in single-product
loyalty
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| 8 |
discounts and predation, a useful safe harbor would be
|
| 9 |
price above average avoidable cost, or if you prefer,
|
| 10 |
average variable cost, but I think average avoidable
|
| 11 |
cost is probably a better measure and better for
|
| 12 |
business to assess.
|
| 13 |
The sixth question, it should not be too
easy to
|
| 14 |
find a firm is dominant or it has monopoly power.
|
| 15 |
Again, my preference would be to follow the U.S.
|
| 16 |
approach rather than the EC approach, where it is too
|
| 17 |
easy to find a firm is dominant and this puts too many
|
| 18 |
companies at risk of being found to have abused a
|
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dominant position, because you don't need much market
|
| 20 |
power before you're found to be possibly dominant.
|
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The last two lessons. First of all, number
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| 22 |
seven, avoid what I've called "abuse shopping."
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Different abuses will have the same economic effect, but
|
| 24 |
in Europe, these different abuses may well have
|
| 25 |
different tests or different cost benchmarks, although
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the economic effect is the same, and sometimes, it's
|
| 2 |
easier to prove one form of abuse than another. That
|
| 3 |
shouldn't be the position. It should not enable the
|
| 4 |
agency to abuse shop, to use the easiest form of abuse
|
| 5 |
to prove.
|
| 6 |
If you look at predation and single-product
|
| 7 |
loyalty discount, same economic effect, but one is much
|
| 8 |
easier to prove than the other in Europe. Or if you
|
| 9 |
look at a margin or price squeeze (the difference
|
| 10 |
between the price upstream and the price downstream at
|
| 11 |
the retail level), you can either address the margin or
|
| 12 |
you could look at predation downstream in the retail
|
| 13 |
market or refusal to deal upstream. They would have
|
| 14 |
different tests, and some of them are easier to prove
|
| 15 |
than the others.
|
| 16 |
Then the last and the eighth lesson, we
may need
|
| 17 |
more than one test of harm to cover different types of
|
| 18 |
exclusionary conduct. That seems to me not a problem
|
| 19 |
provided that it is absolutely clear which test of harm
|
| 20 |
is going to be used for which exclusionary conduct. If
|
| 21 |
we're only going to have one test of harm, on balance, I
|
| 22 |
would prefer the no economic sense test to the equally
|
| 23 |
efficient competitor, because I think the former is
|
| 24 |
probably easier or less difficult for business to
|
| 25 |
understand and to apply. Also, I think it's less likely
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that agencies will intervene as readily in the no
|
| 2 |
economic sense test as with the equally efficient
|
| 3 |
competitor test.
|
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Thank you.
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| 5 |
(Applause.)
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| 6 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you, Margaret.
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| 7 |
Our next presenter will be Paul Lugard.
Paul is
|
| 8 |
the Global Head of Antitrust of Royal Philips
|
| 9 |
Electronics NV. He is a member of the editorial board
|
| 10 |
of two Dutch magazines on competition law and regularly
|
| 11 |
publishes himself, recently on intellectual property
|
| 12 |
licensing and patent pools, nonhorizontal mergers, the
|
| 13 |
Article 81(3) notice, and exclusive dealing under
|
| 14 |
Article 82.
|
| 15 |
He represents Royal Philips Electronics
in the
|
| 16 |
European Round Table and is a Co-Chair of the Commission
|
| 17 |
for Competition of the Dutch Employers' Association
|
| 18 |
VNO-NCW. He is a Vice-Chair of the ICC Competition
|
| 19 |
Commission and chairs the ICC Task Force on Vertical and
|
| 20 |
Conglomerate Mergers of the ICC Competition Commission.
|
| 21 |
Thank you, Paul.
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| 22 |
MR. LUGARD: Thank you.
|
| 23 |
Good afternoon. My perspective is that
of an
|
| 24 |
in-house antitrust practitioner working for a technology
|
| 25 |
company with activities in the U.S., Europe and Asia. I
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appreciate that I'm the only person from a company, and
|
| 2 |
I will try not to be intimidated this afternoon.
|
| 3 |
The nature of Philips' international activities
|
| 4 |
in part explains my concern about diverging standards
|
| 5 |
between jurisdictions, not only between the EU on the
|
| 6 |
one hand and the U.S. on the other hand, but to an
|
| 7 |
increasing extent also with Asia. I believe that the
|
| 8 |
divergence in the area of unilateral conduct is larger
|
| 9 |
than in any other area of antitrust or merger control
|
| 10 |
law. At the same time, the need for convergence in this
|
| 11 |
specific area is most pressing, because different and
|
| 12 |
inaccurate standards for exclusionary conduct involving
|
| 13 |
firms with significant market power, are most likely to
|
| 14 |
defeat procompetitive conduct, that ultimately benefits
|
| 15 |
consumers.
|
| 16 |
The problem is that convergence in this
area is
|
| 17 |
most difficult to achieve not only because of the
|
| 18 |
problems inherent in convergence and convergence
|
| 19 |
initiatives, but also because in key jurisdictions,
|
| 20 |
there is no clear analytical framework to assess
|
| 21 |
unilateral conduct.
|
| 22 |
In other words, if the U.S. agencies and
DG COMP
|
| 23 |
would be able to come up with a more refined analytical
|
| 24 |
framework, then I believe that convergence will be much
|
| 25 |
easier to achieve. I'm very much in favor of the
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initiatives that are taking place within the framework
|
| 2 |
of the ICN and also the ECD, and I can only say that
|
| 3 |
there's not enough of those initiatives, but as I said,
|
| 4 |
I believe that a clearer analytical framework both on
|
| 5 |
this continent and for Europe would spur convergence
|
| 6 |
initiatives even more.
|
| 7 |
The experience I have with the transactions
that
|
| 8 |
my company is involved in makes one thing clear to me.
|
| 9 |
We need a proper analytical framework that takes account
|
| 10 |
of both static and dynamic effects, and if the agencies
|
| 11 |
would be able to tell us how, in particular, dynamic
|
| 12 |
efficiencies could be factored into the analysis of
|
| 13 |
unilateral conduct, that would be an immense step
|
| 14 |
forward. So, in my view, there is an urgent need for
|
| 15 |
the two key jurisdictions, the EC and U.S., to align
|
| 16 |
their approach towards unilateral firm behavior. But I
|
| 17 |
believe that there is an even clearer and more urgent
|
| 18 |
need to first develop a coherent and clear framework
|
| 19 |
analysis in both of the home jurisdictions.
|
| 20 |
I would hope that since both agencies,
the two
|
| 21 |
U.S. agencies and the European Commission, are at the
|
| 22 |
same point in time reflecting on the proper approach
|
| 23 |
towards dominant firm behavior, the U.S. agencies would
|
| 24 |
be inclined to even more participate in the debates with
|
| 25 |
Europe on the proper scope of Article 82 and vice versa.
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So, if there is a need for a clearer analytical
|
| 2 |
framework, then the question arises, why doesn't that
|
| 3 |
framework exist already? I am talking about the U.S.
|
| 4 |
Coming from Europe, I am, of course, a little bit on
|
| 5 |
thin ice here, but there may be two reasons.
|
| 6 |
The one reason might be that in the U.S.,
|
| 7 |
Section 2 offenses are litigated in courts, which in
|
| 8 |
most cases means that one party either loses or wins
|
| 9 |
depending on whether the other party meets its burden of
|
| 10 |
proof. I believe that the court in Microsoft mentioned
|
| 11 |
that, in the end courts may be called upon to balance or
|
| 12 |
to determine the net effect of dominant firm behavior.
|
| 13 |
However, the reality is also that balancing or trying to
|
| 14 |
assess and quantify that negative effect in practice
|
| 15 |
hardly ever takes place.
|
| 16 |
The second reason might be that in many
courts,
|
| 17 |
as well as outside courts, if we talk about exclusionary
|
| 18 |
behavior, there is too much, "I know it when I see it,"
|
| 19 |
and that doesn't help to come up with a proper general
|
| 20 |
framework or methodology.
|
| 21 |
To me, the proper benchmark is long-term
|
| 22 |
consumer surplus. If one of the standards that is
|
| 23 |
currently proposed would be able to distinguish good
|
| 24 |
from bad behavior and would be able to distinguish
|
| 25 |
whether consumer surplus goes up or down, then that
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would be wonderful. I don't think that the business
|
| 2 |
community would mind whether there is more than one test
|
| 3 |
to discriminate between those types of behavior, but if
|
| 4 |
it's true that all these tests are either over-inclusive
|
| 5 |
or under-inclusive, then I ask myself whether it
|
| 6 |
wouldn't be more logical to look at what's happening in
|
| 7 |
the market, certainly in ex post evaluations, and then
|
| 8 |
try to assess whether consumers are benefited or not
|
| 9 |
from the behavior at issue.
|
| 10 |
I was very impressed by Professor Salop's
recent
|
| 11 |
reflections on the consumer welfare effects standard in
|
| 12 |
the Antitrust Law Journal, I believe it was the July
|
| 13 |
issue of this year, although I believe that much can be
|
| 14 |
said about his suggestion to apply that standard on an
|
| 15 |
ex ante basis only and the application of that test to
|
| 16 |
"more efficient" firms.
|
| 17 |
Now, if we were to assume that the consumer
|
| 18 |
surplus test in some form is the right thing, then a
|
| 19 |
number of issues are required. First, we need to know
|
| 20 |
whether the agency or plaintiff should not only prove
|
| 21 |
some kind of output reduction or other loss of
|
| 22 |
efficiency as a result of the exclusionary conduct, but
|
| 23 |
in addition, also to quantify that loss, and I know that
|
| 24 |
in the U.S., quantification is probably not a strict
|
| 25 |
standard, but oddly enough, the EU approach is
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different. You may recall, that there were some remarks
|
| 2 |
on the Article 83 Notice this morning, and I would also
|
| 3 |
take the position that the Article 82 discussion paper
|
| 4 |
itself is based on the assumption that consumer surplus
|
| 5 |
and negative effects on consumers could, to some extent,
|
| 6 |
be quantified and could be used as a tool to distinguish
|
| 7 |
good from bad behavior.
|
| 8 |
Secondly, we would need to know how agencies
and
|
| 9 |
courts balance foreclosure effects against dynamic
|
| 10 |
efficiency effects. How do we arrive at the effective
|
| 11 |
identification of the net effect? Obviously this is
|
| 12 |
particularly important in sectors that undergo rapid
|
| 13 |
technological changes, because it is in those sectors
|
| 14 |
where dynamic efficiencies may be most important.
|
| 15 |
Thirdly, to ensure that courts arrive
at the
|
| 16 |
right outcome, and perhaps as an additional safeguard
|
| 17 |
against false positives, there should be a requirement
|
| 18 |
that there is a clear articulation of the theory of
|
| 19 |
harm. Many of the post-Chicago economic theories that
|
| 20 |
seek to explain anticompetitive effects arising from
|
| 21 |
exclusionary conduct require the presence of some sort
|
| 22 |
of externality, and interestingly enough, in July of
|
| 23 |
2005, a report was issued by the EAGCP, a think tank, if
|
| 24 |
you wish, reporting to the European Commission that
|
| 25 |
recommended that in each case where the Commission
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identifies exclusionary conduct, it should be forced to
|
| 2 |
identify the externality at work, so that there would be
|
| 3 |
an additional requirement to identify the theory of harm
|
| 4 |
causing the negative effects on competition.
|
| 5 |
I was interested to hear Philip Lowe's
remark
|
| 6 |
this morning about the likely effects which would
|
| 7 |
require some sort of articulation of the theory of harm,
|
| 8 |
but that that might not necessarily be required if the
|
| 9 |
evaluation of is of an ex post nature. In that case,
|
| 10 |
there would be actual effects in the markets, and it
|
| 11 |
should be much easier to be capable of finding a
|
| 12 |
violation. My sense is that still in an ex post
|
| 13 |
evaluation, it would be needed to come up with a
|
| 14 |
plausible theory of harm.
|
| 15 |
There are other subjects that should be
|
| 16 |
reflected upon in the context of Section 2. In the
|
| 17 |
U.S., there is the Doctrine of Patent Misuse. There is
|
| 18 |
no such an equivalent in Europe. Especially for
|
| 19 |
European companies doing business in the U.S., it would
|
| 20 |
be helpful if there would be some sort of alignment to
|
| 21 |
the Section 2 policy and the policy of patent misuse.
|
| 22 |
Secondly, it would be helpful if more
clarity
|
| 23 |
would be given with respect to the difficult subject of
|
| 24 |
incompatible design changes, technological tying cases,
|
| 25 |
and an explanation how those cases should be analyzed in
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the framework of a consumer surplus or other standards.
|
| 2 |
And finally, what should be done about
the soon
|
| 3 |
to be effective Chinese antimonopoly law? China
|
| 4 |
proposes legislation that contains a number of vague and
|
| 5 |
elusive definitions regarding both dominance and abuse,
|
| 6 |
in particular in the field of intellectual property, and
|
| 7 |
I would hope that the Chinese authorities would obtain
|
| 8 |
input both from DOJ and FTC, as well as DG COMP for a
|
| 9 |
rational implementation of those concepts.
|
| 10 |
Thank you very much.
|
| 11 |
(Applause.)
|
| 12 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you, Paul.
|
| 13 |
Our final panelist is Jim Rill. Jim is
a
|
| 14 |
partner at Howrey LLP here in Washington, D.C. He's
|
| 15 |
served as the Assistant Attorney General in charge of
|
| 16 |
the Antitrust Division at the Department of Justice from
|
| 17 |
1989 to 1992 and was chair of the ABA's Antitrust
|
| 18 |
Section from '87 to '88. While he was Assistant
|
| 19 |
Attorney General, Jim negotiated the U.S.-European Union
|
| 20 |
Antitrust Cooperation Agreement of 1991. In 1997,
|
| 21 |
Attorney General Janet Reno and Assistant Attorney
|
| 22 |
General Joel Klein appointed Mr. Rill to serve as
|
| 23 |
Co-Chair of the United States Department of Justice's
|
| 24 |
International Competition Policy Advisory Committee.
|
| 25 |
Jim, thank you for joining us.
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MR. RILL: Thank you, and let me echo the
|
| 2 |
comments of the prior panelists, that I'm honored and
|
| 3 |
grateful to be a participant in this round table, both
|
| 4 |
with the eminent enforcers that appeared this morning
|
| 5 |
and my distinguished colleagues this afternoon.
|
| 6 |
I can't resist some preliminary comments
to the
|
| 7 |
thoughts and suggestions I would make and perhaps set a
|
| 8 |
pattern for the issues that we're confronting. One,
|
| 9 |
with the increasing proliferation of antitrust
|
| 10 |
authorities across the world and the dynamics of the
|
| 11 |
modern economy imbued with a high level of intellectual
|
| 12 |
property and cross-border technology, the actions of an
|
| 13 |
agency in one jurisdiction cannot help but have
|
| 14 |
ramifications beyond that jurisdiction and throughout
|
| 15 |
the rest of the world.
|
| 16 |
I remember in a Conflicts of Law textbook
I had
|
| 17 |
a picture on the front page was, "Can the laws of the
|
| 18 |
island of Tobago protect and preserve the laws of the
|
| 19 |
entire British Empire?" I think we're faced with a
|
| 20 |
greater challenge than that today, although I don't
|
| 21 |
pretend to be an expert on the laws of Tobago.
|
| 22 |
Secondly, the different approaches of
the
|
| 23 |
different antitrust agencies across the world provide a
|
| 24 |
daunting task to the ability of multinational firms,
|
| 25 |
firms practicing and doing business, operating in more
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than one jurisdiction, to plan business strategies with
|
| 2 |
any confidence that they will avoid antitrust challenge.
|
| 3 |
As a result, there's a definite threat of a chill, the
|
| 4 |
least common denominator approach in business counseling
|
| 5 |
that can discourage procompetitive business activity and
|
| 6 |
adversely affect consumer welfare.
|
| 7 |
Thus, the very complexity in the analysis
of
|
| 8 |
single-firm conduct calls on us to take significant
|
| 9 |
caution and challenges the steady approach towards
|
| 10 |
convergence and certainly that we have seen in such
|
| 11 |
areas, for example, as horizontal mergers, especially
|
| 12 |
since I'd suggest that in the area of single-firm
|
| 13 |
conduct, particularly where one is dealing with a highly
|
| 14 |
innovative, procompetitive, dominant firm, there's a
|
| 15 |
real tendency, an appetite, for competitors who are hurt
|
| 16 |
by efficiency and procompetitive conduct to engage in
|
| 17 |
forum shopping, or as Hew Pate put it in a recent speech
|
| 18 |
when he was in office, to take an opportunity for every
|
| 19 |
agency across the world to have at least one whack at
|
| 20 |
the pinata to see if the competitor can't find an agency
|
| 21 |
somewhere, somehow, that's going to go after the pro --
|
| 22 |
what is, I would submit, arguably, is the procompetitive
|
| 23 |
conduct.
|
| 24 |
So, the thought I'd like to address today
is the
|
| 25 |
crying need, if you will, for transparency, at a minimum
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certainty, and at least some mechanisms for the ability
|
| 2 |
of agencies to achieve, in time, convergence in
|
| 3 |
single-firm or dominant firm, if you will, conduct
|
| 4 |
across borders, and I would suggest that in those areas,
|
| 5 |
mechanisms should be employed to establish safe harbors,
|
| 6 |
which was discussed this morning, and in more complex
|
| 7 |
areas where safe harbors seem not to be appropriate.
|
| 8 |
Where more intense analysis is required, the agencies
|
| 9 |
should focus on principles towards certainty and
|
| 10 |
transparency, and there are institutional mechanisms
|
| 11 |
which already exist that can be implemented and followed
|
| 12 |
in greater depth to promote these ends.
|
| 13 |
There has not been nearly the progress
towards
|
| 14 |
certainty, transparency, much less convergence, in the
|
| 15 |
area of single-firm conduct as in, for example, in the
|
| 16 |
case of horizontal mergers. Thus, our job as
|
| 17 |
counselors, to have some confidence that we're giving
|
| 18 |
advice that can be used across the world concerning
|
| 19 |
antitrust risk, is very challenging, particularly in the
|
| 20 |
areas of pricing, intellectual property licensing,
|
| 21 |
marketing programs and so forth.
|
| 22 |
Even where at least most agencies would
agree
|
| 23 |
that consumer welfare is an abiding and generally
|
| 24 |
applicable principle, the term itself has ambiguous
|
| 25 |
meanings. Does consumer welfare mean simply enhanced
|
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| 1 |
rivalry? Are we talking about consumer welfare in terms
|
| 2 |
only of above marginal cost -- marginal cost pricing, or
|
| 3 |
are we talking about consumer welfare in the sense of
|
| 4 |
total welfare, or are we simply giving lip service to
|
| 5 |
the term "consumer welfare" as we go on about
|
| 6 |
protectionist policies?
|
| 7 |
The application of this concept, even
where it's
|
| 8 |
agreed upon, and it's not universally agreed upon, to
|
| 9 |
dominance, to market definition, is ambiguous in many
|
| 10 |
jurisdictions, and when it's applied to conduct, the
|
| 11 |
challenge is exacerbated. When one looks at refusals to
|
| 12 |
deal -- look at the laundry list we saw this morning in
|
| 13 |
one agency, that single-firm conduct can be challenged
|
| 14 |
where it's a tied sale, exclusive dealing, refusals to
|
| 15 |
deal, predation, discounts, cross-subsidization or
|
| 16 |
raising rivals' costs.
|
| 17 |
Now, apply that, if you will, to a situation
|
| 18 |
where you are trying to advise or you are a company
|
| 19 |
trying to maximize your own legitimate business
|
| 20 |
strategies and run that laundry list and see what those
|
| 21 |
meanings have, and also, when we see in the concepts
|
| 22 |
underlying many of the statutory provisions relating to
|
| 23 |
single-firm conduct terms such as "unfair." I remember
|
| 24 |
George Will in a speech recently said, "In my family, we
|
| 25 |
eliminate the four-letter word starting with F, fair."
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Unfair, unjust, preference, undue advantage. When you
|
| 2 |
try and apply those in a concrete sense, frustration
|
| 3 |
abounds.
|
| 4 |
Let me suggest this: There is a need for
at
|
| 5 |
least safe harbors for several purposes. One, they
|
| 6 |
certainly contribute to certainty and minimize
|
| 7 |
unwarranted frustration and procompetitive conduct.
|
| 8 |
Two, they can spare enormous expense, if you will, to
|
| 9 |
business in attempting to identify all levels of conduct
|
| 10 |
or baseline minimal levels of conduct that take place
|
| 11 |
across borders or can have ramifications across borders.
|
| 12 |
And three, they can actually help the agencies focus
|
| 13 |
their own resources in areas where those resources need
|
| 14 |
to be arrayed in order to prevent or at least
|
| 15 |
investigate practices that carry the real threat of
|
| 16 |
anticompetitive effect.
|
| 17 |
First, let's look at structural safe harbors,
|
| 18 |
and a two-step approach is called for here, market
|
| 19 |
definition and market share, and as I say that, and I'm
|
| 20 |
very well aware that market definition is only a proxy
|
| 21 |
for market power and an inexact proxy and one that some
|
| 22 |
practitioners, myself not included, think should be done
|
| 23 |
away with. Static market share becomes even more
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unreliable in today's economy where industries are
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traditionally characterized by overnight transformation
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of market position and market innovation. So,
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| 2 |
nonetheless, market share and market definition remain
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| 3 |
an informative indicator to the potential for a firm to
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| 4 |
exercise unilateral market power, and I say, somewhat
|
| 5 |
from a practical standpoint, market definition and
|
| 6 |
market share is produced by the agencies as a starting
|
| 7 |
point for their analysis, so I shouldn't really ignore
|
| 8 |
what they're doing.
|
| 9 |
But having said that, of course, there
are a
|
| 10 |
variety of approaches, and I don't need to get into them
|
| 11 |
today, a variety of analytical approaches, an array of
|
| 12 |
different terminology used to define markets, and in
|
| 13 |
addition to the analytical divergence, there's a
|
| 14 |
practical divergence in the evidentiary basis that is
|
| 15 |
used for the definition of the markets, and they vary
|
| 16 |
from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
|
| 17 |
One, high market share -- I mean, let's
be very
|
| 18 |
clear in this proposal, that a high market share should
|
| 19 |
not be an indicator -- certainly not an exclusive
|
| 20 |
indicator or a reliable or terribly important indicator
|
| 21 |
of the existence of market power. It can, however,
|
| 22 |
serve as a minimal tool, a realistic minimum, that would
|
| 23 |
provide a safe harbor and certainty for all the reasons
|
| 24 |
that have been mentioned certainly. The benefit of it
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| 25 |
is many competition agencies, at least some competition
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agencies, already employ a structural safe harbor.
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| 2 |
The selection of an appropriate level
is needed
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| 3 |
to be -- evokes a continuing dialogue. If the threshold
|
| 4 |
is too low, there are two dangers. One, it's too low,
|
| 5 |
so it provides no realistic certainty. Two, the bottom
|
| 6 |
line can become the -- the top line can become the
|
| 7 |
bottom line, so anything then above the safe harbor as a
|
| 8 |
practical matter could be employed by the agency to
|
| 9 |
stimulate unnecessary investigation and possible
|
| 10 |
challenge. In short, the threshold as low as 20 percent
|
| 11 |
or 10 percent, as we've heard, really isn't going to
|
| 12 |
provide much guidance, much comfort, much help to the
|
| 13 |
enforcement agency or, for that matter, the businesses.
|
| 14 |
Structural safe harbors are not enough.
|
| 15 |
I was very encouraged today in reading
the
|
| 16 |
discussion draft on Article 82 of the effects analysis
|
| 17 |
approach in the EU. The question simply at the conduct
|
| 18 |
level of the safe harbor is what's the exclusion, who is
|
| 19 |
excluded, and what is the anticompetitive effect. Some
|
| 20 |
conduct should be characterized categorically as a safe
|
| 21 |
harbor type of conduct. We made approaches to this in
|
| 22 |
the U.S. and elsewhere in the area of predatory pricing,
|
| 23 |
and work in this area is being done by Greg Werden, and
|
| 24 |
comments were made by Philip Lowe in the area as well of
|
| 25 |
the development of conduct safe harbors, and it
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suggested candidates for safe harbors would consist of
|
| 2 |
patently procompetitive conduct that include new product
|
| 3 |
introduction, improved product quality, cost reducing
|
| 4 |
innovation, energetic market penetration, successful
|
| 5 |
research and development, and the potential for the
|
| 6 |
development Paul Lugard was talking today about an
|
| 7 |
appropriate measure.
|
| 8 |
How do we get there? First, as Margaret
|
| 9 |
mentioned earlier, there's much room for improved
|
| 10 |
case-by-case cooperation. That cooperation, at least
|
| 11 |
between the U.S. and the EU, is underway and has been
|
| 12 |
very effective in the merger area with working groups
|
| 13 |
and actual cooperation on particular cases. Business
|
| 14 |
can facilitate this cooperation by properly designed or
|
| 15 |
properly limited waivers in confidentiality. The OECD
|
| 16 |
round tables and the OECD work has been highly useful in
|
| 17 |
this area.
|
| 18 |
There have been programs on single-firm
conduct.
|
| 19 |
The OECD seminal work with the business community on
|
| 20 |
merger procedure is a good litmus to be followed in this
|
| 21 |
area. The 30 OECD countries submit their papers on the
|
| 22 |
types of conduct that will be considered both illegal
|
| 23 |
that are case based and also conduct that might fall
|
| 24 |
within safe harbors. One benefit here would be if those
|
| 25 |
jurisdictions would be more forthcoming and in depth as
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to why a particular course of conduct would be
|
| 2 |
considered unlawful single-firm conduct, again, back to
|
| 3 |
the concept of who was excluded and why.
|
| 4 |
Some of the cases that I saw this morning,
I
|
| 5 |
wanted to reach out and say, okay, so you're prescribing
|
| 6 |
a particular bid formula or prescribing particular
|
| 7 |
specifications, and? That was unlawful because? And I
|
| 8 |
think having more forthcoming descriptions of where that
|
| 9 |
exclusion occurred and why would be very helpful in the
|
| 10 |
context of the OECD.
|
| 11 |
I want to commend the International Competition
|
| 12 |
Network's launch of a working group on single-firm
|
| 13 |
conduct. I think the group has made progress already on
|
| 14 |
developing a sound work plan which promises to be highly
|
| 15 |
beneficial in spearheading more transparency and
|
| 16 |
ultimately convergence in this area. I think in that
|
| 17 |
area, the stock taking would be very useful, taking it
|
| 18 |
in depth and analyzing with some degree of thoroughness.
|
| 19 |
Guidelines have been mentioned. I must
say I
|
| 20 |
haven't read the Canadian Guidelines, but I will have to
|
| 21 |
run home and do that, but I worry in principle -- not
|
| 22 |
referring to the Canadian Guidelines -- some people
|
| 23 |
might stop me, but I think that one thing that could be
|
| 24 |
said is that guidelines can unduly sometimes stultify
|
| 25 |
and set in concrete the wrong decision. I would not
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want to live today with the Turner Guidelines For
|
| 2 |
Horizontal Mergers.
|
| 3 |
So, to come back to the basic principles,
I
|
| 4 |
think that guidelines for transparency or convergence
|
| 5 |
can follow three basic principles. They need to be
|
| 6 |
workable and understandable; they need to be
|
| 7 |
sufficiently flexible to be adapted to changing,
|
| 8 |
improving, we like to think, economic thinking; and they
|
| 9 |
need to be based ab initio on the best sound legal and
|
| 10 |
economic thinking available today.
|
| 11 |
So, those are the steps I would recommend
for
|
| 12 |
transparency, and thank you very much for allowing me to
|
| 13 |
be here.
|
| 14 |
(Applause.)
|
| 15 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you very much to all
of our
|
| 16 |
panelists for very interesting comments. I think what
|
| 17 |
we will do now is take a break for about 15 minutes, and
|
| 18 |
then we will reconvene when we'll have some discussion
|
| 19 |
by the panelists about each other's presentations as
|
| 20 |
well as some questions. So, let's reconvene at about I
|
| 21 |
guess ten minutes to 3:00.
|
| 22 |
(A brief recess was taken.)
|
| 23 |
MR. MASOUDI: Okay, I think we'll get started
|
| 24 |
again. We tried to offer some light into the room, but
|
| 25 |
apparently the shutters are set to turn down
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automatically.
|
| 2 |
I think we'll get started now, and I think
what
|
| 3 |
we will do is similar to what we did this morning. We'd
|
| 4 |
like to give each of the panelists an opportunity to
|
| 5 |
comment for a few minutes on what the others have said,
|
| 6 |
and we will start with you, George.
|
| 7 |
MR. ADDY: Thank you.
|
| 8 |
As much as I consider jurisprudence a
public
|
| 9 |
good, and some would say we can never have enough of
|
| 10 |
that, I'm not advocating increased enforcement in this
|
| 11 |
area but I think greater clarity as to what the rules of
|
| 12 |
the game are would be useful, both to agencies and
|
| 13 |
businesses.
|
| 14 |
I'm not sure I would agree with Paul,
though, on
|
| 15 |
this issue of convergence. I think there is a need, as
|
| 16 |
I say, for clarity, for clearly articulated rules, what
|
| 17 |
are rules of the game in country X, Y and Z, so that
|
| 18 |
business decisions can be made, but I think most of the
|
| 19 |
decision-making is typically done locally at the state
|
| 20 |
level in any event, although I recognize IP is a big,
|
| 21 |
big problem, and I don't know how you crack that nut,
|
| 22 |
frankly, but if you put that aside, I'm not sure how
|
| 23 |
much of even the globalized world, business
|
| 24 |
decision-making and conduct is done at the global level.
|
| 25 |
I think a lot of it's done at the local level.
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And I think there's more scope in this
area for
|
| 2 |
countries to reasonably disagree on what they consider
|
| 3 |
to be the prime policy drivers in attacking single-firm
|
| 4 |
conduct. With cartels, you know, countries, I think,
|
| 5 |
are much more aligned as to what the evil is there that
|
| 6 |
they're seeking to attack, and I think there's probably
|
| 7 |
a lot more room in the area of single-firm conduct for
|
| 8 |
different countries to reasonably disagree as to what
|
| 9 |
they want to attack, but I think that the most critical
|
| 10 |
point to advisers in the business community is to make
|
| 11 |
sure that the rules are clear and understandable.
|
| 12 |
MR. MASOUDI: Okay, Margaret?
|
| 13 |
MS. BLOOM: Okay, thanks, Jerry. There
are four
|
| 14 |
quick points I'd like to make.
|
| 15 |
First of all, I think it's clear from
this
|
| 16 |
morning and this afternoon that this is an area of law
|
| 17 |
where there is lots of change, so it is evolving. There
|
| 18 |
is a lack of case law generally, and there is an
|
| 19 |
increasing number of jurisdictions applying single-firm
|
| 20 |
conduct law, which means this is an increasing challenge
|
| 21 |
for business in relation to legal certainty. I do not
|
| 22 |
underestimate the importance of the chill factor.
|
| 23 |
The second point, I do not think that
an
|
| 24 |
effects-based approach need necessarily be uncertain.
|
| 25 |
If you have good size safe harbors -- and I emphasize
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the good -- if you have got decent sized safe harbors,
|
| 2 |
then the effects-based approach can also deliver legal
|
| 3 |
certainty.
|
| 4 |
I was very encouraged by Philip Lowe's
reference
|
| 5 |
to the fact that he thought, in relation to Article 82
|
| 6 |
in Europe, we should be less defensive. One point I was
|
| 7 |
just reflecting on, in relation to the size of the safe
|
| 8 |
harbors and the impact of the chill effect, I suspect
|
| 9 |
that in those jurisdictions (which is most of them
|
| 10 |
outside the United States), where the officials have not
|
| 11 |
been in business and they have not got the revolving
|
| 12 |
door, the enforcers probably underestimate the chill
|
| 13 |
factor. Certainly I have been more aware of it since I
|
| 14 |
have moved from being an enforcer to being in private
|
| 15 |
practice.
|
| 16 |
The third point, guidelines, I have stressed
how
|
| 17 |
important I think they can be. We need to have
|
| 18 |
well-based guidelines, and I endorse the three rules
|
| 19 |
that Jim Rill had in relation to producing useful
|
| 20 |
guidelines, and I very much hope we will be seeing
|
| 21 |
guidelines in Europe.
|
| 22 |
And then the last point, the scope of
the law
|
| 23 |
point that was raised this morning. Unfair trading and
|
| 24 |
protection of smaller firms was mentioned for Japan.
|
| 25 |
It's also in the laws a fair number of the European
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| 1 |
Union Member States, and dare I mention it, the United
|
| 2 |
States has something called the Robinson-Patman Act. It
|
| 3 |
seems to me that this whole area might be one for the
|
| 4 |
ICN new working group to look at because it isn't just a
|
| 5 |
question of the abuse of dominant position Section 2
|
| 6 |
type conduct, but it's what laws do countries have
|
| 7 |
against unfair trading as well.
|
| 8 |
Thank you.
|
| 9 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you, Margaret.
|
| 10 |
Paul?
|
| 11 |
MR. LUGARD: I think convergence is important,
|
| 12 |
but it is even more important to have a basic
|
| 13 |
understanding of the framework of analysis, even if this
|
| 14 |
means that there are different approaches in key
|
| 15 |
jurisdictions. I fully agree with Margaret that an
|
| 16 |
effects-based analysis doesn't necessarily mean that all
|
| 17 |
is unpredictable, and I believe that there is an urgent
|
| 18 |
need for the international business community to know
|
| 19 |
how it should assess its own conduct, even if that means
|
| 20 |
that it has to go through very difficult analyses.
|
| 21 |
There is a real chill factor in particular
in
|
| 22 |
high technology markets. Perhaps we'll discuss that in
|
| 23 |
a second, and among the issues that need to be addressed
|
| 24 |
is certainly IP, and within that category, one of the
|
| 25 |
first things that needs to be thought about is
|
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compulsory licensing, because that is where there's a
|
| 2 |
large degree of divergence, and in many of those cases,
|
| 3 |
the effects are not limited to one jurisdiction, but
|
| 4 |
instead, the decision of one agency might have worldwide
|
| 5 |
repercussions.
|
| 6 |
MR. MASOUDI: Okay, thank you, Paul.
|
| 7 |
Jim?
|
| 8 |
MR. RILL: It's always the danger of being
the
|
| 9 |
fourth one that I tend to want to agree with everything
|
| 10 |
that everybody said, but I will say I think that the
|
| 11 |
need is for first transparency. Transparency can be
|
| 12 |
contributed to by safe harbors. I don't throw up my
|
| 13 |
hands or sit on them with the notion that convergence
|
| 14 |
over time is impossible. I think a great amount of
|
| 15 |
convergence has come with learning in the area of
|
| 16 |
horizontal mergers, but it takes time, it takes
|
| 17 |
dialogue, it takes effort.
|
| 18 |
I think we're a good ways away, Paul,
from any
|
| 19 |
kind of convergence on dynamic versus static
|
| 20 |
efficiencies, of the appropriate definition of all the
|
| 21 |
important, critical factors to look at.
|
| 22 |
On this morning's program, I was taken
with not
|
| 23 |
only the increasing interest and focus on dominant firm
|
| 24 |
conduct but the work that's being done in every
|
| 25 |
jurisdiction that spoke, also the U.S., on efforts to
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| 1 |
study and add clarity to the principles being adopted by
|
| 2 |
or explored by the jurisdictions, rather, in that area.
|
| 3 |
The Canadian Guidelines, the Japanese study group, the
|
| 4 |
discussion draft process in the EC, the statutory
|
| 5 |
revisions in Mexico, all underscore the efforts that are
|
| 6 |
being made in the jurisdictions to bring clarity and
|
| 7 |
sound principles into the application of the law to
|
| 8 |
dominant firm conduct. Nonetheless, a lot remains to be
|
| 9 |
done.
|
| 10 |
I also picked up from this morning there's
a
|
| 11 |
debate -- and I use that in the European sense --
|
| 12 |
between Japan and the EC on whether an effects-based
|
| 13 |
approach adds sufficient clarity. I think it could. I
|
| 14 |
think it does, properly applied, and I think even if we
|
| 15 |
sacrifice some clarity for sound economic approach, it's
|
| 16 |
a sacrifice that I for one would be willing to make over
|
| 17 |
a more traditional, formalistic approach. We still have
|
| 18 |
to deal with concepts and statutes that have concepts
|
| 19 |
such as unfair, unjust, exclusive advantage, terms that
|
| 20 |
I can't just at first blush add much flesh to, and I
|
| 21 |
think all these moves are in the right direction.
|
| 22 |
I was a little perplexed about this morning's
|
| 23 |
panel. There was very little discussion given to the
|
| 24 |
question of convergence and the instruments that are
|
| 25 |
available for at least transparency across
|
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| 1 |
jurisdictional lines in convergence, and I attribute
|
| 2 |
that to the fact that the agencies this morning were
|
| 3 |
quite properly focused on what was going on in their own
|
| 4 |
jurisdictions, but I think it's an area where, through
|
| 5 |
the ICN and the OECD, that the agencies can, are and
|
| 6 |
should do more work in the area of bringing about
|
| 7 |
cross-border transparency, and I suggest ultimately
|
| 8 |
convergence.
|
| 9 |
MR. MASOUDI: Thank you, Jim.
|
| 10 |
Now we will move on to some questions,
and I
|
| 11 |
will hand the microphone to Randy.
|
| 12 |
MR. TRITELL: Thanks, Jerry.
|
| 13 |
Before I begin with the questions, two
of the
|
| 14 |
speakers suggested that the U.S. agencies be engaged
|
| 15 |
with, for example, the EC and China on their work in
|
| 16 |
this area, and I just want to note that we are engaged
|
| 17 |
in and have been engaged in discussions with our
|
| 18 |
colleagues in Brussels about the Article 82 exercise and
|
| 19 |
remain engaged in discussions with the Chinese on the
|
| 20 |
evolution of their law, including in the dominance area.
|
| 21 |
Let me start out by tossing out a broad
|
| 22 |
question, which is what kind of trends do you observe,
|
| 23 |
looking around the legal landscape around the world, in
|
| 24 |
the single-firm conduct area? Do you see trends towards
|
| 25 |
convergence, for example, even in the basic objectives
|
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| 1 |
of unilateral conduct laws, towards consumer welfare, or
|
| 2 |
is there still work to be done there, or in the
|
| 3 |
analysis?
|
| 4 |
Where would you want to see more convergence,
|
| 5 |
and for those who think it's less important, are there
|
| 6 |
areas where you think it is still important for agencies
|
| 7 |
to be largely on the same page, and areas where that is
|
| 8 |
less important?
|
| 9 |
It also relates to the question that Margaret
|
| 10 |
asked, if you assume a consumer welfare objective,
|
| 11 |
should we all do it the same way?
|
| 12 |
Margaret, let me give you an opportunity
to add
|
| 13 |
to your remarks, if you want to answer that question in
|
| 14 |
any way.
|
| 15 |
MS. BLOOM: Okay, would you like me to
start, is
|
| 16 |
that --
|
| 17 |
MR. TRITELL: Yes, please.
|
| 18 |
MS. BLOOM: Okay. In terms of your first
|
| 19 |
question about what kind of trends, I think, first of
|
| 20 |
all, you've got more agencies with powers to apply
|
| 21 |
single-firm conduct. Every time you add a new agency,
|
| 22 |
then that is a tension, in a sense, to a degree away
|
| 23 |
from convergence, because you have got new staff
|
| 24 |
learning how to apply the law.
|
| 25 |
On the other hand, you have got, going
the other
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| 1 |
way, more efforts being made, for example, through the
|
| 2 |
OECD, through the ICN. You have already got the
|
| 3 |
European Union, which is now 25 Member States, going up
|
| 4 |
to 27, and the European Union itself is clearly a force
|
| 5 |
for convergence between those states, so you have got
|
| 6 |
tensions going in either direction.
|
| 7 |
On your question about should there be
more
|
| 8 |
convergence, yes, I think there should be as much
|
| 9 |
convergence as will achieve maximum consumer welfare.
|
| 10 |
I'm an advocate of having that as your objective.
|
| 11 |
As I said earlier, I think there are some
small
|
| 12 |
reasons for differences between jurisdictions, and I
|
| 13 |
give the example of the U.S. against Europe. There's
|
| 14 |
another example I can think of with a similar sort of
|
| 15 |
issued. If you have a very small market, say you're an
|
| 16 |
island, say Iceland, for example, is your approach to
|
| 17 |
single-firm conduct different from the approach that
|
| 18 |
should be taken in the United States with a large market
|
| 19 |
with many players? It might be. I don't know what the
|
| 20 |
answer is. I think there is an argument that you could
|
| 21 |
have a reason for being slightly more interventionist.
|
| 22 |
Maybe you need to have a price regulator, although I
|
| 23 |
know a permanent regulator is very much a second best.
|
| 24 |
MR. TRITELL: I invite anybody else who
would
|
| 25 |
like to comment on that.
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| 1 |
MR. RILL: Let me just say, I see two somewhat
|
| 2 |
conflicting trends going on right now. I think we see
|
| 3 |
the trend towards more cooperation, if not convergence,
|
| 4 |
and clarity. I think that the very formation of an ICN
|
| 5 |
working group on single-firm or dominant firm conduct is
|
| 6 |
evidence of that. I see a conflicting trend, barely
|
| 7 |
visible but nonetheless visible, particularly in a
|
| 8 |
dynamic economic world where innovation creates fair
|
| 9 |
competitive advantages that may be short-lived,
|
| 10 |
competitors trying to game the system, to do forum
|
| 11 |
shopping, to take a number of whacks at the pinata, to
|
| 12 |
try and play on divergence to find an agency somewhere
|
| 13 |
that will accept their complaint. I applaud the ICN for
|
| 14 |
establishing the working group that will hopefully
|
| 15 |
address that issue.
|
| 16 |
What would I like to see more of? I think
the
|
| 17 |
movement, at least in the U.S. enforcement agencies, and
|
| 18 |
from what I understand from Philip's remarks this
|
| 19 |
morning, towards an analysis of what is the effect of a
|
| 20 |
particular course of conduct, an in-depth probing of
|
| 21 |
that effect of, if it's exclusionary conduct that's
|
| 22 |
being addressed, who is excluded, what is the meaning of
|
| 23 |
that exclusion, and how does the conduct promote that
|
| 24 |
level of exclusion, with sound economic reasoning and
|
| 25 |
transparency of the analysis in the results achieved. I
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| 1 |
think that's the most desirable step that I would like
|
| 2 |
to see taken.
|
| 3 |
The second step, of course, is the proper
role
|
| 4 |
of efficiencies in analysis, which Paul commented on
|
| 5 |
earlier.
|
| 6 |
MR. LUGARD: I agree with Jim that there
is much
|
| 7 |
more cooperation between agencies, and I think that that
|
| 8 |
cooperation is generally producing positive effects;
|
| 9 |
also, for example, within the EC and European
|
| 10 |
Competition Network, and, of course, the ICN although
|
| 11 |
that's perhaps less formalized. There's more economics,
|
| 12 |
and perhaps paradoxically, I think a lot of the
|
| 13 |
convergence that we're speaking about today comes from
|
| 14 |
economists that tell us about the newest insights in
|
| 15 |
theories of harm that discipline indirectly the
|
| 16 |
decision-making processes of agencies.
|
| 17 |
I think there should be more reflection
on the
|
| 18 |
evaluation of static and dynamic effects in one single
|
| 19 |
framework of analysis. I hope that the OECD round table
|
| 20 |
of October this year will stimulate that discussion, and
|
| 21 |
for the EC, I think that there is a specific issue that
|
| 22 |
needs to be addressed which relates to the burden and
|
| 23 |
allocation of proof. Again, that issue doesn't occur in
|
| 24 |
the U.S. because of the institutional setting, but that
|
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problem is very real in Europe, and I can only hope that
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DG COMP will be able to come up with a sensible and
|
| 2 |
practical way to solve that problem.
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MR. ADDY: If I can just piggyback on those
|
| 4 |
comments, and I'll try not to repeat, I think on the
|
| 5 |
positive trend side, the increased discussion and debate
|
| 6 |
in public, in a very transparent fashion, amongst
|
| 7 |
agencies and people in the trade about the issues
|
| 8 |
surrounding single-firm conduct is a very positive
|
| 9 |
trend.
|
| 10 |
Issues of concern, I would highlight what
Paul
|
| 11 |
was saying. To the extent that people are developing
|
| 12 |
frameworks for analysis, I'm concerned about the use of
|
| 13 |
rebuttable presumptions, because even with the right
|
| 14 |
framework, with rebuttable presumptions, you are
|
| 15 |
creating this chill that I'm absolutely paranoid about
|
| 16 |
and I think is really, really underestimated. So, I
|
| 17 |
don't think that's the way to go.
|
| 18 |
And I wouldn't want the increased dialogue
and
|
| 19 |
work, which I think is positive, to then lead to, a
|
| 20 |
notion that having done all this work, we better bring a
|
| 21 |
lot more cases. So, I would be concerned that there may
|
| 22 |
be a reaction that now that we have got this creature,
|
| 23 |
whatever this guideline is or this clarification, let's
|
| 24 |
use it.
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MS. BLOOM: Perhaps I could just add one
further
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thought.
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One interesting impression, which I've
noticed
|
| 3 |
in Europe, is that some of the large companies which
|
| 4 |
were former state-owned monopolies in their home
|
| 5 |
territory are arguing for minimal intervention, but in
|
| 6 |
the other Member States, where they're new entrants,
|
| 7 |
they're arguing for the maximum intervention.
|
| 8 |
MR. TRITELL: Given that we don't have
complete
|
| 9 |
convergence at this time, what can we learn about how
|
| 10 |
businesses and their counselors react to different legal
|
| 11 |
regimes regarding single-firm conduct? George mentioned
|
| 12 |
the possibility of decentralizing decisions, but is that
|
| 13 |
really an option when you have global products and
|
| 14 |
markets, or does it result in what I believe Jim
|
| 15 |
referred to as a lowest common denominator, where a firm
|
| 16 |
would adapt itself to the most rescriptive rules?
|
| 17 |
Let's start, if we could, with Paul from
the
|
| 18 |
point of view of company advisor.
|
| 19 |
MR. LUGARD: In many cases, it is possible
to
|
| 20 |
decentralize decisions, and in many cases, it is not
|
| 21 |
necessary to adopt a certain conduct all over the globe.
|
| 22 |
In other cases, in particular in the IP sector, you may,
|
| 23 |
as a company, have to adapt yourself to local
|
| 24 |
circumstances, to a specific jurisdiction where the law
|
| 25 |
is not well articulated yet or where you are forced to
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take another course or direction, but then in some
|
| 2 |
circumstances, that local decision will then have
|
| 3 |
worldwide repercussions, and that is a major problem.
|
| 4 |
I do not think that overall companies
are
|
| 5 |
looking for a way to centralize decisions. In many
|
| 6 |
cases, as I said, you can decentralize, but it will be
|
| 7 |
very costly in many cases, and it may result in
|
| 8 |
suboptimal solutions which may not be good for a company
|
| 9 |
and which may also harm consumers.
|
| 10 |
MR. ADDY: If I could jump in now, the
issue I
|
| 11 |
was getting at about local decision-making and
|
| 12 |
businesses being primarily market-driven, so if you're
|
| 13 |
selling a widget in country A, you're going to take into
|
| 14 |
account the market circumstances in deciding your
|
| 15 |
business conduct. An example might be if I'm a
|
| 16 |
global -- I don't know, pick one -- automotive
|
| 17 |
manufacturer and I have suppliers and I have plants all
|
| 18 |
over the world and suppliers all over the world, the
|
| 19 |
text of my supplier exclusivity agreement in country A
|
| 20 |
may be quite different from the agreement in country B.
|
| 21 |
So, the notion that there's a huge impediment
to
|
| 22 |
business there, I'm not convinced yet. It might be
|
| 23 |
there. I just haven't seen any evidence of that, with
|
| 24 |
the exception that Paul was addressing, IP issue.
|
| 25 |
Frankly, I just don't know how to get my hands around
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the IP issues. That is a very, very difficult area.
|
| 2 |
MR. RILL: I think there is also a question
that
|
| 3 |
is probably unavoidable given the proliferation of
|
| 4 |
agencies with somewhat different approaches, a question
|
| 5 |
of transaction costs, which is huge, that we have
|
| 6 |
certainly run into and I'm sure everyone else has who
|
| 7 |
has done cross-border work, and that is just simply
|
| 8 |
identifying the course of conduct with some reasonable
|
| 9 |
confidence that it is not illegal over a multiplicity of
|
| 10 |
jurisdictions, and quite frankly, with some of the newer
|
| 11 |
antitrust regimes, it is very difficult to identify --
|
| 12 |
not true in the U.S. -- but very difficult to identify
|
| 13 |
counsel who have any experience with the legal regimen,
|
| 14 |
even in their home country, and be confident of the
|
| 15 |
advice.
|
| 16 |
I think decentralized decision-making
from the
|
| 17 |
legal standpoint is necessary but needs -- I think Paul
|
| 18 |
would agree with this -- needs some centralized control
|
| 19 |
at the level of the Paul Lugards of the world.
|
| 20 |
MS. BLOOM: I was just going to endorse
|
| 21 |
everything that Paul said. For example, if you are
|
| 22 |
talking about discounts, then it would be possible to
|
| 23 |
have a different discount structure in different
|
| 24 |
jurisdictions. It might not benefit the business or
|
| 25 |
consumers, but that is possible. But for IP or the
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criteria of products, it may well not be possible to
|
| 2 |
differentiate between jurisdictions.
|
| 3 |
There is another issue. If you are thinking
of
|
| 4 |
making a change in response to one agency, you may wish
|
| 5 |
to be careful that there are not then copycat cases in
|
| 6 |
other agencies. There will be some cases which it
|
| 7 |
started in one agency, and then other agencies picked
|
| 8 |
them up. It may be there is an equal problem in all
|
| 9 |
those other jurisdictions, but maybe not.
|
| 10 |
MR. TRITELL: Well, let's revisit the question
|
| 11 |
of presumptions and safe harbors that all of you have
|
| 12 |
touched upon in one way or another. George has just put
|
| 13 |
on the table the proposition that presumptions should be
|
| 14 |
avoided even if they are rebuttable. We have had some
|
| 15 |
endorsement in general of safe harbors, but it might be
|
| 16 |
interesting to hear any specific recommendations that
|
| 17 |
you think should be incorporated into agency policies.
|
| 18 |
Jim tossed out a list of some of the often
|
| 19 |
suggested candidates for safe harbors, and we welcome
|
| 20 |
your thoughts on advice to the agencies on what type of
|
| 21 |
presumptions and safe harbors are to be encouraged or
|
| 22 |
are to be avoided.
|
| 23 |
Jim, why don't we start down on your end.
|
| 24 |
MR. RILL: Well, first of all, having changed
|
| 25 |
from likely to sue to a presumption that the Hirfendahl
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level in the Merger Guidelines, I'm a little reluctant
|
| 2 |
to engage in self-flagellation in the establishment of
|
| 3 |
presumption, but nonetheless, we use those presumptions
|
| 4 |
very flexibly, and they are carried with the entire
|
| 5 |
case.
|
| 6 |
No, I think that the point that George
makes
|
| 7 |
with presumptions is a good one. I think the world is
|
| 8 |
too dynamic right now to have any confidence in the
|
| 9 |
presumption of illegality perhaps beyond hard core
|
| 10 |
cartel activity. I think that even the presumption as
|
| 11 |
to tying has come under huge criticism, in which I join.
|
| 12 |
The safe harbor, on the other hand, if
set at a
|
| 13 |
proper level, is a good point for all the reasons I
|
| 14 |
stated in my remarks. Where should it be? It should be
|
| 15 |
high enough so that it really is a safe harbor and not
|
| 16 |
something so low that it does not give any comfort at
|
| 17 |
all. I would throw out numbers like 70 percent market
|
| 18 |
share, that would just be a thought, but I think taking
|
| 19 |
into account the dynamics of the market, likelihood of
|
| 20 |
entry and expansion, just to mention a few items, but
|
| 21 |
beyond that, I think the point is it should not be
|
| 22 |
something around 10 percent, with all respect to our
|
| 23 |
friends in Japan, because it gives no safe harbor at
|
| 24 |
all.
|
| 25 |
I think the progress made in predation
is a good
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| 1 |
one. I think in both the U.S. and Europe, we are
|
| 2 |
looking at some level of cost, predatory pricing, and I
|
| 3 |
think that concept of a cost-based test can be applied
|
| 4 |
to a number of other practices, including bundle pricing
|
| 5 |
and loyalty discounts, because I think that kind of a
|
| 6 |
concept will approach the trilogy that I mentioned of
|
| 7 |
some sound economic thinking, some flexibility, and,
|
| 8 |
quite frankly, some understandability compared to some
|
| 9 |
of the other thinking that has gone on in that area.
|
| 10 |
I'll footnote this, on the bundled pricing,
I
|
| 11 |
think there is a cottage industry of economists out
|
| 12 |
there in the bundled pricing area that are developing
|
| 13 |
wild theories of what might be illegal and holding
|
| 14 |
themselves out to be hired by firms saying, "Your
|
| 15 |
practice, however, doesn't meet my theory."
|
| 16 |
On that note, I'll pass.
|
| 17 |
MR. TRITELL: Why don't we pass to Paul,
if he
|
| 18 |
would like to offer any observations.
|
| 19 |
MR. LUGARD: I would be less than thrilled
to
|
| 20 |
support the idea of safe harbors as a matter of
|
| 21 |
principle, but in practical terms, I am probably
|
| 22 |
slightly more positive. We have a number of European
|
| 23 |
examples, for example, the 30 percent market share
|
| 24 |
threshold in the vertical work exemption regulation,
|
| 25 |
that seems to work well. The potential problem with
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| 1 |
safe harbors is, of course, that it is uncertain what
|
| 2 |
happens when you are not in safe harbor, so that there
|
| 3 |
may be a counter-productive effect.
|
| 4 |
What I would support most is, as I mentioned,
|
| 5 |
the methodology of analysis. If, for example, we are
|
| 6 |
looking at the discussion paper on Article 82, then it
|
| 7 |
starts off really well, because the Commission has done
|
| 8 |
a remarkable effort in explaining how it seeks to
|
| 9 |
identify negative effects. The problem with the
|
| 10 |
discussion paper in Europe is that the second part of
|
| 11 |
the paper is less useful. So, I'm very much in favor of
|
| 12 |
a clear framework of analysis even if it is difficult to
|
| 13 |
apply.
|
| 14 |
MS. BLOOM: I already discussed this in
my
|
| 15 |
remarks, so I will be brief. In terms of safe harbors,
|
| 16 |
if they are going to be useful, they need to be large
|
| 17 |
enough. I think Jim Rill's proposed 70 percent is very
|
| 18 |
tempting, but unrealistic for Europe.
|
| 19 |
MR. MASOUDI: It is not large enough.
|
| 20 |
MS. BLOOM: Okay, 90 percent.
|
| 21 |
In Europe, I would encourage the Commission
to
|
| 22 |
go for 50 percent, but I recognize that is asking an
|
| 23 |
awful lot. What I would suggest is that it would be
|
| 24 |
better to have a higher safe harbor with a rider that
|
| 25 |
exceptionally the agency might intervene, than a lower
|
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| 1 |
safe harbor. If it is too low, it is not of much use.
|
| 2 |
In the UK, prior to the modernization
of
|
| 3 |
European Community Law and the European Competition
|
| 4 |
Network, the OFT used to have a 40 percent safe harbor
|
| 5 |
with a rider that exceptionally it might intervene. In
|
| 6 |
fact, it never did.
|
| 7 |
On abuses, one safe harbor that I would
add to
|
| 8 |
my cost test on my slide is we should have, in Europe,
|
| 9 |
recoupment for predation.
|
| 10 |
MR. ADDY: The only comment I would add
is just
|
| 11 |
an observation, that we can theoretically say that under
|
| 12 |
our guidelines in Canada, there is a 35 percent safe
|
| 13 |
harbor, market share safe harbor, yet all the cases that
|
| 14 |
have been taken have been at the 80-plus. So, you know,
|
| 15 |
is there room to move that harbor up? I would probably
|
| 16 |
say yes, but then you get into Margaret's suggestion.
|
| 17 |
You have got to make sure that it is a hard number with
|
| 18 |
only a very exceptional or a very limited exception to
|
| 19 |
action, any disciplinary action.
|
| 20 |
MR. TRITELL: Let's turn to the role of
|
| 21 |
economics in the analysis of single-firm conduct. What
|
| 22 |
trends are you seeing in the agencies around the world
|
| 23 |
in the use of economics and economic evidence? What do
|
| 24 |
you see as the proper role for use of economics? How
|
| 25 |
should agencies use economic evidence and economists in
|
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| 1 |
investigations of single-firm conduct?
|
| 2 |
I will invite whoever would like to offer
|
| 3 |
remarks. Why don't we start, if you like, George, with
|
| 4 |
you and work down.
|
| 5 |
MR. ADDY: Sure.
|
| 6 |
I'm of two minds, frankly, on that --
on the
|
| 7 |
issue of the use of economists. There's probably --
|
| 8 |
with apologies to the economists in the room, so hold
|
| 9 |
your fire -- by the time you get to trial, of course,
|
| 10 |
everybody's rolling out competing economists, and you
|
| 11 |
get into that duel situation, which is what the process
|
| 12 |
yields. I'm not sure the economists are used early
|
| 13 |
enough at the analytical stage before the matter ever
|
| 14 |
becomes litigious, so I think increased use of economics
|
| 15 |
is a good thing.
|
| 16 |
Then the only other observation on that
would be
|
| 17 |
I found the discussion paper, for instance, that
|
| 18 |
Philip's group put out to be heavily -- too heavily --
|
| 19 |
leaning towards the economics, some of the -- reading
|
| 20 |
that document and trying to advise a client as to what
|
| 21 |
this hypothetical, possibly as efficient competitor
|
| 22 |
might be doing a few years from now had they come into
|
| 23 |
the market is very troubling. I mean, that's going down
|
| 24 |
the other end of the scale.
|
| 25 |
MS. BLOOM: Perhaps I should say as an
economist
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| 1 |
I am all in favor of the use of more economics -- thank
|
| 2 |
you, George. There is a trend to use of more economics.
|
| 3 |
When people talk about that, some of them are talking
|
| 4 |
about the use of more economics for an effects-based
|
| 5 |
analysis in the actual analysis itself. Other agencies
|
| 6 |
say, "Oh, yes, yes, we use a lot of economics," but
|
| 7 |
economics is used in developing the rules, and then when
|
| 8 |
the rules have been established, they are applied in a
|
| 9 |
form-based approach. It's using economics in the
|
| 10 |
analysis of the effects which is most valuable, though
|
| 11 |
if you're drawing up rules, the more they are based on
|
| 12 |
experience in economics, the better.
|
| 13 |
There are tensions which will mean that
in
|
| 14 |
certainly some jurisdictions it will be relatively slow
|
| 15 |
to adopt full use of modern economics. Firstly, the
|
| 16 |
case precedents are quite difficult to reconcile with
|
| 17 |
modern economics in a number of jurisdictions.
|
| 18 |
Secondly, appeal courts are not necessarily sympathetic
|
| 19 |
to economic analysis, which is a factor that agencies
|
| 20 |
need to take account of. And lastly, some agencies have
|
| 21 |
difficulty in having enough economists trained in modern
|
| 22 |
economics, in I/O economics. They may find it easier to
|
| 23 |
recruit lawyers than economists.
|
| 24 |
Thank you.
|
| 25 |
MR. LUGARD: Copying on Margaret, I am
not an
|
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| 1 |
economist, but I sometimes think that I should have been
|
| 2 |
an economist.
|
| 3 |
I think the role of economists is increasing,
|
| 4 |
and I believe that it's a good thing. Their proper role
|
| 5 |
might be to identify the most plausible theory of harm
|
| 6 |
in a particular case or to discredit the theory of harm
|
| 7 |
which is advanced by the agency, and secondly, to help
|
| 8 |
in analyzing the actual effects in a particular case.
|
| 9 |
If the agency takes the position that there is a
|
| 10 |
significant lessening of competition, then that
|
| 11 |
conclusion should be supported by economic evidence, and
|
| 12 |
obviously, the dominant company will then resort to
|
| 13 |
economists to try and falsify that conclusion, and I
|
| 14 |
think that that is a proper role of economists.
|
| 15 |
Thank you.
|
| 16 |
MR. RILL: I would, first of all, endorse
the
|
| 17 |
wider use of economists and economic learning in
|
| 18 |
antitrust analysis. I think that from the agency
|
| 19 |
standpoint as well as from the private sector
|
| 20 |
standpoint, the earlier the integrated analysis between
|
| 21 |
the economists and the lawyers takes place, the better
|
| 22 |
the result is likely to be.
|
| 23 |
I know from some times that in history,
the
|
| 24 |
economists and lawyers have worked in totally separate
|
| 25 |
paths, converging only at the top level of the agency.
|
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| 1 |
That, fortunately, doesn't happen anymore here, and it
|
| 2 |
is well advised not to have it happen elsewhere.
|
| 3 |
One comment on economists is that they're
|
| 4 |
terribly creative, and I think some of the work that's
|
| 5 |
been done may bear little relevance to the real world,
|
| 6 |
particularly in some of the wilder econometric
|
| 7 |
simulation analyses, which if nothing else don't pass
|
| 8 |
the test of comprehensibility, but I think that the
|
| 9 |
later work that's been done in that area that emphasizes
|
| 10 |
the need for econometric analysis to be supportive of
|
| 11 |
and supported by, more particularly, actual anecdotal
|
| 12 |
evidence that's pertinent and in debt makes that work
|
| 13 |
very useful.
|
| 14 |
I'm suspicious of economic work that develops
|
| 15 |
elaborate theories of harm that could be adopted or
|
| 16 |
looked at with some credence but may have very little
|
| 17 |
relationship to the underlying facts of the market.
|
| 18 |
MR. ADDY: If I could just jump in on that,
the
|
| 19 |
use of integrated case teams involving lawyers and
|
| 20 |
economists I think is great and to be applauded. One
|
| 21 |
thing about the use of economics in the actual trial of
|
| 22 |
a dominance case is economists suffer just as much as
|
| 23 |
any other type of evidence or witness: the passage of
|
| 24 |
time. So, if you're -- and we'll take the Canada Pipe
|
| 25 |
case as an example just from a chronological
|
160
| 1 |
perspective.
|
| 2 |
The practice at issue started in '98,
early '98.
|
| 3 |
The Bureau was aware of it as it started. The challenge
|
| 4 |
was filed with the Tribunal in 2002, so it would have
|
| 5 |
been the fall of 2002. The trial was in June of '04.
|
| 6 |
The trial decision came out in February '05. The Court
|
| 7 |
of Appeal came after -- so, you see this passage of
|
| 8 |
time, and what I'm trying to underscore is the fact that
|
| 9 |
you might have, as Jim says, this very elaborate model
|
| 10 |
trying to second-guess a business decision that may have
|
| 11 |
been made four or five years earlier, you have got to be
|
| 12 |
very careful with that.
|
| 13 |
MR. MASOUDI: Okay, I'd like to follow
up on
|
| 14 |
something Jim Rill mentioned in his comments. Jim
|
| 15 |
talked about how guidelines can give certainty and
|
| 16 |
predictability but also can lead to rules being, in
|
| 17 |
essence, set in concrete, and if the rule isn't right to
|
| 18 |
begin with and it gets stuck where it is, that may not
|
| 19 |
be a good result.
|
| 20 |
In the U.S., we had some recent experience
with
|
| 21 |
this where the United States Supreme Court considered
|
| 22 |
the issue of whether in a tying case, ownership of
|
| 23 |
intellectual property gives rise to a presumption of
|
| 24 |
market power, and based in part on the change in
|
| 25 |
position taken by the U.S. agencies in their 1995
|
161
| 1 |
intellectual property guidelines, the Court said that
|
| 2 |
there would not be a presumption of market power from
|
| 3 |
ownership of intellectual property.
|
| 4 |
So, the question then arises, should agencies
|
| 5 |
periodically reconsider the positions they've taken
|
| 6 |
either on safe harbors or on presumptions or whatever
|
| 7 |
the issue is in the area of single-firm conduct? Should
|
| 8 |
there be a periodic re-examination of those principles?
|
| 9 |
And if so, what are mechanisms by which that kind of
|
| 10 |
re-examination could occur?
|
| 11 |
Why don't we start with Jim.
|
| 12 |
MR. RILL: Thanks very much, Jerry.
|
| 13 |
I had an interesting discussion at the
break
|
| 14 |
with Sheridan Scott on my comment on guidelines, and I
|
| 15 |
think my comment should be taken as one more of the
|
| 16 |
structure and administrative nature of guidelines as
|
| 17 |
they become more like rules, if you will, or
|
| 18 |
regulations, not as criticism of guidance.
|
| 19 |
I think in the U.S., we have gotten to
the point
|
| 20 |
where guidelines, as such, tend to be more proximate to
|
| 21 |
rules, and you run the risk of getting it wrong, and I
|
| 22 |
think a lot of people thought that the DOJ got it wrong
|
| 23 |
on the Vertical Restraint Guidelines in '84, which were
|
| 24 |
subsequently abandoned. I won't get into any political
|
| 25 |
analysis of that particular series of events, but I
|
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| 1 |
think that guidelines do change from time to time, but
|
| 2 |
they tend to be looked at here, and perhaps not
|
| 3 |
elsewhere, as having the nature structurally of rules,
|
| 4 |
and I think that's why I made the point that it's
|
| 5 |
important to get it right from the threshold. But maybe
|
| 6 |
in other jurisdictions, guidelines don't have that kind
|
| 7 |
of aura to them, or at least not treated by the courts
|
| 8 |
as having that kind of effect.
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| 9 |
There are other ways of giving guidance.
More
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guidance is better. It can be given by agency speeches,
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it can be given by statements of enforcement policy, it
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can be given by, yes indeed, cases, particularly in
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common law jurisdictions, although one wants to be a
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little chary of some cases coming, for example, out of
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the Third Circuit, but I don't want to get too
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particular.
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The fact of the matter is, I do have some
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concern, at least with the extent to which guidelines
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can become rules and the risk then of getting it wrong
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and perhaps guiding the conclusion away from current
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consumer welfare and market-oriented results.
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MR. MASOUDI: Paul?
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MR. LUGARD: I think nobody would deny
that it's
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important to periodically review guidelines. The
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triggering event should be something as vague as
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important events in or outside your own jurisdiction.
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There is an interesting European example where the
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European approach towards maximum reasonable price
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maintenance was changed after the U.S. Khan case some
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years ago. So, that's an example where the European law
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approach, which was laid down in the Guidelines on
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Vertical Restraints, was changed as a result of the U.S.
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| 8 |
developments. So, yes, there should be a periodic
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| 9 |
review of guidelines or any other instrument that seeks
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to help businesses and their advisers on the
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implementation of the law.
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MR. MASOUDI: Margaret?
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MS. BLOOM: Thank you.
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I endorse both what Jim and Paul said and just
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add the comment that, of course, in Europe, there are
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perhaps more antitrust guidelines than in the U.S., I'm
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not sure, but They have been regularly reviewed in other
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areas, for example, those on vertical restraints,
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horizontal agreements, and technology transfer. It
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seems to me the only argument against reviewing and
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changing is you shouldn't do it so frequently that it's
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constantly a fluid guideline. Paul's description of
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when you should review is a rather good one.
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MR. MASOUDI: George?
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MR. ADDY: Thanks.
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Yes, I think there's no question that
guidelines
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deserve periodic updating. What that period should be
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obviously, you know, people can differ on what they
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| 4 |
consider to be reasonable, but Margaret is right, it
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| 5 |
shouldn't be sort of the guidelines du jour, because
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| 6 |
people are relying on them to adjust their business
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| 7 |
behavior.
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| 8 |
I share Jim's concern about the nature
of
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guidelines versus other means of being transparent as to
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| 10 |
what their importance of weight would be. I think
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courts would give much more credence to guidelines, by
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| 12 |
way of example, than they would a speech. So, I think
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| 13 |
there is a difference in how binding they are, how
|
| 14 |
important they are and how significant they are than
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| 15 |
other means. I think they are different from sort of a
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| 16 |
speech to a trade association on how the agency is going
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| 17 |
to look at this industry as opposed to a particular
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guideline.
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MR. MASOUDI: There was some discussion
this
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| 20 |
morning about the nature of the types of remedies that
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| 21 |
are available to public enforcers as well as to private
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| 22 |
parties around the world, and then this afternoon, we
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| 23 |
have had some discussion of how varying substantive
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| 24 |
standards affect how companies might do business when
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| 25 |
they're doing business in many markets, and I wonder,
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Margaret, you commented on how the availability, for
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| 2 |
example, of treble damages in the United States might
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| 3 |
affect how courts interpret the rules, and I wonder if
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| 4 |
each of you might comment on how the different types of
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| 5 |
enforcement remedies that are available throughout the
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| 6 |
world might affect how companies do business in a global
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| 7 |
marketplace.
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| 8 |
Why don't we start with you, George.
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MR. ADDY: I think it can have an impact.
I'm
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| 10 |
not sure I can help you on quantifying it. The
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| 11 |
remedies, there's a whole range, you know, from just
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| 12 |
cease and desist/prohibition type orders to monetary
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| 13 |
penalties or what have you.
|
| 14 |
I think one of the big differences is
private
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| 15 |
action versus state-only action or agency-only action,
|
| 16 |
and there I am of two minds, that on the one hand, as I
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| 17 |
said earlier, I believe that, jurisprudence is a public
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| 18 |
good and it helps move the law ahead when you have cases
|
| 19 |
and judgments and decisions coming out, but I am very
|
| 20 |
concerned about the incentives and the creativity of the
|
| 21 |
plaintiff's bar as sort of -- I guess it has no bounds,
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| 22 |
and I'm concerned about the extent to which you create
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| 23 |
an incentive for litigation that will chill behavior and
|
| 24 |
could even shift investment, from one country to another
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because of a fear of that type of litigation.
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MR. MASOUDI: Margaret?
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MS. BLOOM: When you look at the treble
damages
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| 3 |
that are possible in the United States, they're a scale
|
| 4 |
order different from anything you'll see in any other
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| 5 |
jurisdiction. So, I suggest we need to set that aside.
|
| 6 |
So, if you're looking at anything else,
it's
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| 7 |
more the likelihood that there's going to be
|
| 8 |
intervention than what is the remedy that is going to
|
| 9 |
concentrate the mind as to what business thinks about
|
| 10 |
the different jurisdictions.
|
| 11 |
There is one particular issue in relation
to
|
| 12 |
remedies I would just like to flag up, and that is, you
|
| 13 |
may well have conflicting remedies. One jurisdiction
|
| 14 |
requires something of a company which then conflicts
|
| 15 |
with a remedy that's required in another jurisdiction.
|
| 16 |
That, of course, is very problematic for business and
|
| 17 |
consumers.
|
| 18 |
And lastly, there is this issue about
what is a
|
| 19 |
suitable remedy for a very powerful company. As an
|
| 20 |
economist, I would argue, in a sense, a fine is not an
|
| 21 |
entirely rational remedy for a very powerful company,
|
| 22 |
because if it's sufficiently powerful, arguably, it can
|
| 23 |
pass on the fine to its customers. But we still fine
|
| 24 |
powerful companies in Europe.
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| 25 |
MR. MASOUDI: Paul?
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MR. LUGARD: Just a couple of loose remarks.
|
| 2 |
I believe that fines can be effective
in the
|
| 3 |
sense that people that are considered to be responsible
|
| 4 |
for these fines may have a serious problem within the
|
| 5 |
firm going forward. On a more general level, I think
|
| 6 |
that whether private actions are available, yes or no,
|
| 7 |
is a very important variable, and so is the possibility
|
| 8 |
of criminal enforcement, but perhaps the most effective
|
| 9 |
remedy, if you wish, is the enforcement record of the
|
| 10 |
agency.
|
| 11 |
If the agency can prove that it consistently
|
| 12 |
takes enforcement action against a certain business
|
| 13 |
conduct, then that is a very powerful disciplinary fact
|
| 14 |
of life.
|
| 15 |
MR. MASOUDI: And finally, Jim.
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| 16 |
MR. RILL: Two points. One, I think a very
|
| 17 |
strong case could be made for eliminating punitive, i.e.
|
| 18 |
treble damage type remedies for conduct beyond the hard
|
| 19 |
core cartel area, and I think an examination of the U.S.
|
| 20 |
would be very worthwhile on that score, and I think the
|
| 21 |
same sort of thing was proposed by former Assistant
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| 22 |
Attorney General Pate.
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| 23 |
On the question of criminal sanctions,
I think
|
| 24 |
one of the best statements I've heard made in opposition
|
| 25 |
to the establishment of criminal sanctions for
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single-firm conduct was made by Tom Barnett, current
|
| 2 |
Assistant Attorney General, at the most recent OECD
|
| 3 |
round table on remedies and sanctions in single-firm
|
| 4 |
cases. The effect, once again, back to the effect of
|
| 5 |
single-firm conduct, the effect of single-firm conduct
|
| 6 |
can be very ambiguous, could be very easily
|
| 7 |
procompetitive, and to hold out criminal sanctions in an
|
| 8 |
area that's not so well developed in jurisprudence I
|
| 9 |
think has much more of a chilling effect on
|
| 10 |
procompetitive conduct than it has a chilling effect on
|
| 11 |
anticompetitive conduct.
|
| 12 |
MR. MASOUDI: Okay, thank you.
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| 13 |
That exhausts our questions, and surprisingly,
|
| 14 |
we will conclude a few minutes early. Thank you all for
|
| 15 |
coming. Thank you to our panelists, and we'll see you
|
| 16 |
at our next session.
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(Applause.)
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(Whereupon, at 3:44 p.m., the hearing
was
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concluded.)
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C E R T I F I C A T I O N O F R
E P O R T E R
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DOCKET/FILE NUMBER: P062106
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CASE TITLE: SECTION 2 HEARING
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DATE: SEPTEMBER 12, 2006
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I HEREBY CERTIFY that the transcript contained
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herein is a full and accurate transcript of the notes
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taken by me at the hearing on the above cause before the
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FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION to the best of my knowledge and
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belief.
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DATED: 9/25/06
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SUSANNE BERGLING, RMR-CLR
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C E R T I F I C A T I O N O F
P R O O F R E A D E R
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I HEREBY CERTIFY that I proofread the
transcript
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for accuracy in spelling, hyphenation, punctuation and
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format.
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SARA J. VANCE
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