3           U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO'S

         4                     ADDRESS TO THE



         7                    February 27, 1997








        15               Held at the J. W. Marriott

        16           14th & Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.

        17                    Washington, D.C.







         1                  P R O C E E D I N G S

         2               MALE VOICE:  Our speaker today, of

         3     course, is well know to all of us.  She's been

         4     a loyal friend to all of us who are in law

         5     enforcement.  Of course, she's the Attorney

         6     General of the United States, Janet Reno.

         7               Ms. Reno was born, or rather sworn in

         8     as the nation's 78th Attorney General by

         9     President Clinton on March 12, 1993.

        10               From 1978 until the time of her

        11     appointment, she served as a State Attorney for

        12     Dade County, Florida.  She was initially

        13     appointed to that position by the Governor of

        14     Florida, and she was subsequently elected to

        15     that office five times.  That says a lot.

        16               Ms. Reno was born and raised in

        17     Miami, Florida where she attended Dade County

        18     Public Schools.  She graduated from Harvard Law

        19     School in 1963.

        20               It is a great pleasure that I present

        21     to you our guest speaker, Attorney General

        22     Janet Reno.


         1                    (Applause)

         2               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Sheriff,

         3     thank you so much.

         4               I would first like to read to you a

         5     letter from the White House.  There are two

         6     letters and I've delivered one to each of you.

         7     Please accept my best wishes for a productive

         8     joint meeting of the International Association

         9     of Chiefs of Police and the National Sheriff's

        10     Association.

        11               As the results of the dedicated

        12     efforts of your organizations, we've broke six

        13     years of congressional deadlock, and in 1994

        14     passed the most comprehensive crime bill ever.

        15     The strategy was simple and straightforward:

        16     More police, proper punishment, and smarter

        17     crime prevention.  I believe our plan is

        18     working.

        19               Last year violent crime dropped for

        20     the fifth year in a row, marking the longest

        21     period of decline in 25 years.  None of this

        22     success could have been achieved without the


         1     commitment and hard work of your members.  I am

         2     very proud of the effective partnership that my

         3     administration shares with the IACP and NSA.

         4     As we move forward I want to continue this

         5     relationship so that we can make communities

         6     across this country even safer.

         7               Each day you and your colleagues put

         8     your lives on the line for all of us.  You're

         9     helping to make America a safer place to live,

        10     and I thank you for your dedication and for

        11     your accomplishments.

        12               Sincerely, Bill Clinton.

        13                    (Applause)

        14               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Sheriff, I

        15     thank you very much for the opportunity to be

        16     here today.  And it's particularly gratifying

        17     for me to find the sheriffs and the police

        18     chiefs together, an example again of how

        19     important it is that all of us work together as

        20     partners in this effort against crime.

        21               I'll have been in office four years

        22     come March 12.  I'd like to take this


         1     opportunity to thank so many people in this

         2     room who have been so supportive, who have

         3     given me such good advice, who tell me like it

         4     is in the field in their particular area, who

         5     have helped shape legislation, and shape what

         6     we do in the Department of Justice with your

         7     insight, because we are truly on the front

         8     line.

         9               But today is a sad occasion for me,

        10     though happy because I think going to see

        11     grandchildren or play golf is probably a good

        12     thing to do.  But I'm going to miss Budd Meeks

        13     very, very much.  He has been -- he always

        14     tells me like it is.  He sometimes tells me

        15     stuff I don't want to hear.

        16               But I always know I can count on him

        17     to be there to give me his best advise.  And it

        18     has been absolutely critical for me.  And I

        19     thank you for all that you have done for me.

        20               It has been important for me to keep

        21     in touch, not just to go once, but to keep in

        22     touch with the major law enforcement


         1     organizations during my time as Attorney

         2     General, not just at annual meetings, but when

         3     you come to the Department of Justice to share

         4     ideas, whether it be about spectrum issues,

         5     about youth violence, about detention problems,

         6     it is so important that I hear from you.

         7               I certainly hear from Budd, from Pat

         8     Sullivan, Dan Rosenblack, and Bobby Moody when

         9     I do something bad.  And it has been so helpful

        10     to me because we almost did something bad,

        11     because we really hadn't consulted, and then we

        12     get pulled back into the right way to go.

        13               And sometimes we end up just

        14     disagreeing, period.  But we know we've done so

        15     out of a good, honest discussion, and we've got

        16     different considerations and different

        17     interests at stake.

        18               I look forward to continuing these

        19     dialogues, these meetings, in every way I

        20     possibly can.  As the President has said, we

        21     have made some extraordinary successes in these

        22     last four years.  You, who are on the front


         1     line, are primarily responsible for these

         2     successes.

         3               When I go before the Congress as I

         4     did yesterday, I can fully agree with them when

         5     they say now, isn't it true that local law

         6     enforcement has 90 percent, or 99 percent of

         7     the cases involving juvenile violence.  And I

         8     say yes.  And my role is to do whatever I can,

         9     as a partner with local law enforcement, to

        10     address this issue with their considerations in

        11     mind.

        12               Four years ago though, when people

        13     asked me about an issue I had to again, and

        14     again say, well, have you talked to the

        15     sheriff, have you talked to the IACP.

        16               I'm pleased to report now that I

        17     don't have to ask that anymore.  Because when I

        18     get my briefing materials, this is the position

        19     of the NSA, this is the position of the IACP.

        20     They say if you do this, this, and this, you

        21     get a link to a better product.  And so I think

        22     the message is out through the Department of


         1     Justice.

         2               I think we face some important issues

         3     together though.  Critically for me is the

         4     issue of youth violence.  Last year we saw the

         5     violent crime arrest rate, and the murder rate

         6     for juveniles, the murder arrest rate go down

         7     for the first time in a number of years.

         8               But as we all know, the number of

         9     young people will increase significantly in the

        10     next 15 to 20 years.  And we're seeing young

        11     people do things that we never dreamed was

        12     possible.  We have got to work together in

        13     these next four years to make sure that we turn

        14     this around.  And I think we have made a good

        15     beginning.

        16               But as I was reminded yesterday, we

        17     can't just rest there.  We have got to continue

        18     to do everything we can.

        19               And the President has announced the

        20     youth violence package that I think is one of

        21     those critical pieces of legislation that you

        22     will see in this Congress.


         1               Chair Pat Sullivan was with me

         2     yesterday at the meeting of a joint committee

         3     of an education subcommittee that has

         4     responsibility for the office of juvenile

         5     Justice and delinquency prevention, and

         6     Congressman McCullen's Crime Subcommittee of

         7     the House Judiciary Committee.

         8               Some people say it's no fun

         9     testifying before Congress.  And I will agree

        10     with him on those occasions.  But yesterday was

        11     a wonderful experience for me.  People bought a

        12     bipartisan thoughtfulness to this issue.  There

        13     was a good dialogue.  There was a good

        14     exchange.  People were interested in solving

        15     the problems.  And I found it one of the most

        16     awarding times that I have been before

        17     Congress.

        18               What impressed me so much was the

        19     bipartisan attitude of everyone there.  We need

        20     to work together to take that spirit, to take

        21     the spirit that was reflected when the

        22     President met with the Senate and House


         1     leaders, and agreed that this will be one issue

         2     that we ought to reach bipartisan consensus on.

         3               I think we have the opportunity to

         4     draft a bill that can truly, truly begin to

         5     address, in a comprehensive way, the problems

         6     of youth violence.  I know that many of you

         7     say, now I don't want the Federal Government

         8     federalizing all of these youth crimes.

         9               And we are -- as you know, I have

        10     said I don't want to be taking cases in Federal

        11     Court.  I don't want our prosecutors and

        12     investigators involved unless local law

        13     enforcement thinks it's the right thing to do,

        14     and we can share the right way.

        15               I do want to make sure that I am

        16     providing you with every information that can

        17     be possibly helpful in solving these crimes,

        18     whether it be about gangs that cut across

        19     district lines.  And if you and the prosecutors

        20     think that we can better handle it in Federal

        21     Court for some reasons due to the law, then let

        22     us know.


         1               We've got special responsibility in

         2     Indian country, but we want to work with

         3     everybody concerned to do it the right way.  So

         4     just understand that I am very, very sensitive

         5     to the issues of federalism.

         6               And my instructions to the U.S.

         7     Attorney is, don't go in there just taking

         8     cases for credit's sake.  Go in there in a

         9     partnership and either share information, or

        10     assist the local prosecutor and the local

        11     sheriff.  Or if they want us to take it, let's

        12     take it.  But let's take it giving credit to

        13     those --

        14                    (Applause)

        15               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  What this

        16     legislation does, though, that is so important

        17     is, it first of all provides for an additional

        18     $50 million, bringing to a total of $75

        19     million, moneys for at-risk children's

        20     initiative, truancy prevention programs,

        21     mentoring programs, intervention programs that

        22     can make a difference.


         1               Now, people ask me, well, describe

         2     the programs.  We want to work with you so that

         3     you describe what could be needed in your

         4     community.  It might be a deputy sheriff

         5     working with a probation officer in one county,

         6     touching bases with those that are not quite

         7     yet ready for detention, but need very intense

         8     supervision, in terms of community supervision.

         9               It may be a mentoring program that

        10     you want to develop with the schools.  You know

        11     best what your community needs, what resources

        12     are necessary.  And that's the reason that

        13     we've decided that these monies go to the local

        14     government, designed for what you need in the

        15     field.

        16               And we want to work with you to

        17     perfect this through the revised Office of

        18     Juvenile Crime Control and Prevention, so that

        19     we get the money to you in the right way, so

        20     that it's streamlined without a lot of

        21     bureaucracy, so that we get it out in a prompt

        22     fashion.


         1               And yet, everybody is held

         2     accountable for how we use the money.  We're

         3     going to be working with you in these weeks to

         4     come to fashion something that could truly make

         5     a difference.

         6               We provide additional monies for

         7     incentive grants, for new ideas to show what

         8     can work and what can't work.  And we're very

         9     in-tuned to the fact that too often Federal

        10     monies have been spent without any assessment

        11     of what good they're doing.  We've had

        12     evaluation and research components in these

        13     monies that I think can truly make a

        14     difference.

        15               What I see happening, it is so

        16     exciting, is that communities are making a

        17     difference.  One sheriff can make a difference.

        18     A police chief can make a difference when he

        19     reaches out to the schools, to the probations

        20     services, when he works with the court in the

        21     community court concept.  When he involves

        22     parks and recreation specialists, when he


         1     involves the private sector, when she involves

         2     children, youth, in development programs.

         3               I am convinced that we can make a

         4     difference.  And what I've been asking you to

         5     do, is let me know when you have a program

         6     that's working.  Let me know when you have a

         7     community that has come together to address the

         8     problem of crime amongst our youth today in a

         9     comprehensive way.

        10               What America needs, what Congress

        11     needs is evidence that prevention programs can

        12     work.  It has been very gratifying for me to

        13     spend time in Boston now for the last two years

        14     on three different occasions to see the

        15     beginnings of a community police and initiative

        16     in Dorchester, Massachusetts, to come back and

        17     see it expanded to community probation officers

        18     riding with community police officers checking

        19     on those that need intense probation

        20     supervision at 10:00 at night, making home

        21     visits, letting them know.

        22               To see a republican DA working with a


         1     Democratic United States Attorney to focus on

         2     serious gang members, and take them out in a

         3     partnership based on regular meetings as to who

         4     should do what, and what is in the best

         5     interest of the case.

         6               To see the local hospital working

         7     with victims of youth violence, children

         8     victims of youth violence to interrupt the

         9     cycle of violence, to see what happens when

        10     Federal monies that are going to the states for

        11     domestic violence, intervention prevention and

        12     enforcement to focus on a domestic violence

        13     seen at a home where children have observed the

        14     violence.

        15               That child who observes that beating,

        16     unless we do something, unless we intervene,

        17     will come to accept violence as a way of life.

        18     When the hospital joins with the Sheriff or

        19     with the police chief in interrupting that

        20     cycle of violence by providing counselling to

        21     those child victims, we can begin to make the

        22     difference.


         1               But I get these ideas not out of my

         2     head.  I get these ideas from the police chief

         3     and sheriffs that are using them now across

         4     this nation.  Let us get the information to us

         5     so that we can show what's working and support

         6     this effort that we have undertaken.

         7               In addition, the President has also

         8     asked, in our budget submitted to Congress, for

         9     additional monies in the Department of

        10     Education for 1,000 initiatives for after

        11     school and evening programs, because it is the

        12     police chiefs, the sheriffs, who have been

        13     telling me, we need something for these kids to

        14     do in the afternoon and the evening before they

        15     get into trouble in the first place.

        16               But, and this a sensitive subject

        17     because I don't talk about police in this

        18     context, one of the big complaints I got

        19     sometimes from law enforcement, sometime after

        20     the Crime Act was, look, you started at the

        21     beginning and you start at the end.

        22               The Crime Act provided monies for


         1     100,000 police officers, and it provided monies

         2     for corrections, but what about the prosecutors

         3     in the courts, they're overwhelmed.  This

         4     proposal of the President provides money, $200

         5     million for prosecutors to develop appropriate

         6     initiatives aimed at youth violence,

         7     initiatives that look at the whole picture.

         8               It provides $50 million for the

         9     courts.  We've been working with the Chief

        10     Justice Commerce to try to make sure that they

        11     have the opportunity to do bold and innovative

        12     things.  Because what sheriffs and others are

        13     telling me is what I always knew from my

        14     experience in Miami.

        15               Juvenile court judges are totally

        16     overwhelmed.  They have no place to put these

        17     kids, they have no programs to place these kids

        18     in.  And everything that the sheriff or police

        19     do ends up as a revolving door because the

        20     courts have no place to put them.

        21               Let us look at the system as a whole

        22     and work together to construct legislation, and


         1     then to see that the money is used to make the

         2     juvenile justice system as whole and complete

         3     as possible so that we can stem this tide of

         4     violence.

         5               One other area that I would like to

         6     address, and I touched on it with organizations

         7     on it in separate meetings.  But I just want to

         8     reiterate how important I think it is, is the

         9     whole issue of high-tech crime.

        10               As I look at these people that are

        11     moving out to rural America, and starting to

        12     commute with their office by telecommuting

        13     rather than driving, I realize that high-tech

        14     crime is going to be affecting us all.

        15               We want to work with state and local

        16     law enforcement in every way possible to see

        17     that law enforcement at every level develops

        18     the expertise and has access to the expertise

        19     necessary to identify high-tech crime, and to

        20     use high-tech tools to identify and to combat

        21     high-tech crime.

        22               One of the major problems we face is


         1     that the equipment necessary for this changes

         2     practically every day. You buy some now, and

         3     it's obsolete tomorrow.  How can we pool the

         4     equipment?  How can we share equipment?  How

         5     can we share expertise and equipment in a

         6     prompt fashion that can truly make a difference

         7     for you who are on the front lines across

         8     America?

         9               When a man can sit in a kitchen in

        10     St. Petersburg, Russia and steal from a bank in

        11     Chicago, he can also steal from a bank in a

        12     small town in Louisiana.  When somebody wants

        13     to invade trade secrets or attack our

        14     infrastructure, they can do so across America.

        15               I would like to work with both

        16     organizations this year to come to see how we

        17     can structure the best partnership possible

        18     that can provide for sharing of expertise that

        19     can make equipment available, and that can do

        20     it in an appropriate way that is very sensitive

        21     to issues of federalism.

        22               But not only do we need high-tech


         1     equipment to attack high-tech crime, we need to

         2     take advantage of the emerging technology that

         3     staggers the imagination and converts vanity to

         4     prayer.

         5               Just think of what we can do with the

         6     information retrieval systems that are being

         7     developed to collect information that might

         8     have been dispersed in five different files, in

         9     paper files, and bring them together to solve

        10     crime.

        11               Just think of what can be done in the

        12     next five years as we take a DNA chip at the

        13     scene and test and exclude from consideration

        14     five leads that your police officers or your

        15     deputies would have had to follow.

        16               We've got to make sure that we use

        17     this technology the right way, that we use it

        18     to serve our communities.  Dwight Eisenhower,

        19     when he left the Presidency, gave a farewell

        20     address that I think is one of the most

        21     remarkable speeches made by an American

        22     President.  And I always wondered why it didn't


         1     gain more attention.

         2               He warned of the undue influence of

         3     the industrial-military complex of private

         4     industry who had become part and parcel of the

         5     complex in the development of expensive

         6     equipment for the military.

         7               I think we've got to work together in

         8     the years to come to make sure that the law

         9     enforcement-industrial complex does not

        10     overwhelm us, does not lead to waste, but that

        11     we work in partnership with private industry,

        12     the right way to get the best equipment, to

        13     make sure it as interoperable as possible, that

        14     it serves us all, and that we keep up with

        15     current developments.

        16               Many of you have helped educate me

        17     along these lines as well.  And so, Sheriff,

        18     Chief, in this next year, this will be an issue

        19     of great concern for me.  And we will be

        20     looking forward at how we can work with you.

        21               But I thought that this group might

        22     be small enough, and you might know me well


         1     enough now so that you can be candid with me,

         2     and that we could take the next few minutes and

         3     let you ask me questions, or give me thoughts

         4     about what should we be doing at the Department

         5     of Justice to assist you and support you.

         6               So why don't you fire away at me.

         7     Yes, sir.

         8               MALE VOICE:  One problem that we've

         9     encountered in Alabama is, we've recently had a

        10     bill in Alabama that allowed for sheriffs to

        11     incarcerate juveniles that are involved in

        12     criminal activities, allowed to incarcerate

        13     juveniles for a maximum of seven days and then

        14     transfer them back to the juvenile detention

        15     facilities.

        16               The one problem we ran into

        17     immediately, the federal regulations regarding

        18     housing of juveniles of (inaudible).  That's

        19     something that needs to be looked at.  If the

        20     states are going to try to have (inaudible)

        21     incarcerate juveniles in county detention

        22     facilities, we must have some parity between


         1     federal regulations and state regulations to

         2     allow them to do that.

         3               We came back and got the Attorney

         4     General (inaudible) to allow us to do so.

         5     There are those who feel -- there are some of

         6     us who feel we're in violation of it because of

         7     the Federal statutes regarding housing of

         8     juveniles.  And that is a problem I think we

         9     will have down the road.

        10               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  That we have

        11     tried to do with the four-core protections, the

        12     four fundamental protections that Congress

        13     established, that the incarceration in

        14     detention facilities of juveniles, the

        15     imprisonment, the sight and sound, and the

        16     disproportion of minority in custody is found

        17     in both organizations, and try to hear from you

        18     through hearings, through informal contacts,

        19     and otherwise how might we adapt regulations

        20     that made these -- turn these requirements more

        21     flexible.

        22               What I'd like to do is make sure we


         1     get your name, follow up on the issue, get to

         2     the benefit of your thought, and do whatever

         3     would be appropriate as a follow-up.  But this

         4     is a continuing matter of concern, and it will

         5     be very much a part of the concern expressed in

         6     the whole legislation.  And it's something that

         7     we need to make sure that we're in close

         8     communication on.  So, Ken or --

         9               MALE VOICE:  Mr. President, do police

        10     have to identify themselves if they ask a

        11     question?

        12               MALE VOICE:  (Inaudible)

        13               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Yes.  Yes

        14     sir.

        15               MALE VOICE:  Sheriff (inaudible),

        16     Marshall Town, Iowa.

        17               Ms. Reno, our office is very small.

        18     We're in a very rural environment in the State

        19     of Iowa.  And three years ago we had four 15

        20     year olds come up to the State of Missouri and

        21     plunge, and cut, and shoot a woman to death

        22     just to get her car.


         1               What I'm bringing here, well, I

         2     guess, may be asking for your help, or the

         3     Federal Government's help, is we had some major

         4     discussion on something I thought was very,

         5     very simple.  And it had to deal with juvenile

         6     rights.

         7               When we went into the State of

         8     Missouri, we followed their administrative

         9     rights procedure.  The mandates Miranda I

        10     always thought crossed the whole country.

        11               However, when I got back to Iowa we

        12     were shot at, if you will, from the courts

        13     because we did not file Iowa's administrative

        14     right's procedure.  It's still Miranda, it's

        15     just done slightly different.

        16               We just drug this case out for an

        17     enormously long period of time, about two years

        18     at a great cost to my office for housing these

        19     juveniles.

        20               What I don't quite understand is,

        21     recently we had a kidnapping and rape situation

        22     where they went into Canada.  And your office,


         1     the southern district of Iowa, Mr. Dickerson,

         2     did a very good job in helping us bringing this

         3     person back with no difficulty at all from

         4     another country.

         5               I just wonder if there might be

         6     something the Federal Government can help to do

         7     to kind of stabilize this administrative

         8     procedure whereby the rights, if you will, are

         9     the same across the country as I always

        10     thought.

        11               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  That is a

        12     fascinating issue that has not been presented

        13     to me.  And we will follow up on it carefully.

        14     Marshall Town, Iowa.

        15               MALE VOICE:  Yes, Ma'am.

        16               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  We will be

        17     back in touch with you on that.  I will also

        18     raise the issue with the State Chief Justices

        19     Conference and with the National Association of

        20     Attorney Generals to see what we can do to

        21     perhaps streamline that whole -- assure the

        22     fundamental protections, but avoid the


         1     pitfalls.

         2               You raise another interesting point

         3     that we'd like to work with you on.  I see

         4     crime becoming more and more international in

         5     these consequences, whether it be juvenile

         6     crime, or otherwise with cyberspace before us,

         7     and we're going to have to reach beyond our

         8     borders in many instances with the Internet,

         9     borders are going to become meaningless.

        10               It is going to become extremely

        11     important, when we have a hacker hacking at

        12     your bank in Marshall Town, to know where he is

        13     in Paris.  And so we're going to need to form

        14     new partnerships that mean new concepts of

        15     federalism.

        16               Again, we'd like to do it, Sheriff,

        17     the right way, attending to the states and to

        18     the local community's interest that uses the

        19     Federal Government as a support to gain the

        20     cooperation of foreign authorities.  But we'll

        21     follow up on the issues of the states right

        22     away.  Thank you.


         1               MALE VOICE:  Thank you.

         2               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Yes, sir.

         3               MALE VOICE:  In the follow-up section

         4     -- and I'm Mike Robinson, (inaudible) Michigan,

         5     and also third vice president of ICC.

         6               With regard to international times

         7     and (inaudible) we talked before about the sale

         8     of strong encryption technology, and know that

         9     there is a bill that we introduced again,

        10     towards exports and technology, using the

        11     exports and technology.

        12               And, as you know, it's vitally

        13     important that we maintain some control and

        14     ability to get it into those -- that

        15     information and to have the key escrow

        16     capability to examine that information.

        17               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  I couldn't

        18     agree more with you, Sir.  This is one of the

        19     topics that is -- I didn't talk with you-all

        20     about it because I would be singing to the

        21     choir.  But this is something that I have tried

        22     to raise.  I urge that you raise it in your


         1     communities.

         2               I think people -- and as you raise it

         3     -- let me tell you what I have found when I

         4     first talk with people.  They say, what do you

         5     mean, I don't want the FBI butting into my

         6     business.  And I explain, look, if somebody

         7     stole trade secrets from you right now, and

         8     stored them in their computer, and it was not

         9     encrypted, the FBI would get a search warrant

        10     and go search the computer and get the evidence

        11     of the crime and, usually, the victim will be

        12     very pleased with the process.

        13               But if you have a search warrant and

        14     you can't bust the computer, that's a different

        15     problem.  Oh, I see.  But I don't want them

        16     wire-tapping me.  And I say right now the FBI,

        17     local sheriffs in most jurisdictions can go get

        18     a wire-tap order, and this is the way you do

        19     it, and they just put it into the wire.  This

        20     is permitting them to do it according to modern

        21     technology.

        22               And so take the time to explain to


         1     people that the processes are already there.

         2     And that's what protects us against drug

         3     dealers.  That's what enables us to catch them.

         4     That's what enables us to catch the people who

         5     steal from these corporations that might

         6     otherwise be objecting.

         7               But be very careful in stressing to

         8     people that we're not asking for new authority

         9     to snoop, we're asking for the authority to

        10     keep up with technology.

        11               MALE VOICE:  Ms. Reno, I'm Sheriff

        12     Pat McGowan from Minnesota.  I represent a

        13     colony in the excess of a million people.  One

        14     of the major problems we have in the urban area

        15     is the in influx of gangs.

        16               One of the biggest stumbling blocks

        17     is that we have we have an influx of gangs

        18     coming in is to be able to access Federal

        19     welfare records for investigating purposes, and

        20     drive-by shooting, murder, drug investigations.

        21               And you simply can't get into these

        22     without a search warrant.  If anybody's that


         1     done investigation on it, you go to a drive-by

         2     shooting, you go to a murder scene, and

         3     somebody says yes, someone said they just came

         4     from so and so to here -- last name of McGowan.

         5               Where do you look?  We get great

         6     cooperation from the local utility companies

         7     for new hook-ups.  But we go to the Government

         8     to check on benefits, and we cannot access the

         9     records.

        10               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  I will

        11     follow-up on that and address the issue and see

        12     what we can do.

        13               MALE VOICE:  General (inaudible).

        14     I'm the sheriff of Massachusetts, (inaudible)

        15     County.  Frivolous suits, those things that

        16     sheriffs and small jurisdictions have to deal

        17     with on regular basis.  The states have

        18     attorney generals that are assigned to various

        19     corrections and what-have-you, or they can

        20     provide it.

        21               At the local level, the county level

        22     in many instances, determined by the amount of


         1     money that is available to the sheriff to

         2     protect himself, his department and officers

         3     and those kinds of things.  Frivolous suits are

         4     clogging our courts throughout the country.

         5               And is there a way that we can look

         6     at that so that local jurisdictions can get

         7     some help with this.  It's, as you know,

         8     General, extremely expensive.  And, of course,

         9     the Federal Government welcomes the suits

        10     because they turn money.  (Inaudible)

        11               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Not recently.

        12               MALE VOICE:  The rest of us have to

        13     do it the old fashioned way.  This is really

        14     something that has to be looked at.  And maybe

        15     your office -- I know they've already done it

        16     under your leadership in certain areas, but

        17     what happens is at the local level,

        18     particularly when it has to do with

        19     incarceration in local lock-ups or at the

        20     county jails (inaudible) of corrections --

        21               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Sheriff

        22     Hathaway, what I think we might do, I will ask


         1     somebody, you're not gone yet are you?

         2                    (Laughter)

         3               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  -- to get

         4     back to Bud.  We might put together a small

         5     working group of smaller county sheriffs to see

         6     what we can do to look at the Prisoner Location

         7     Reform Act and we can see if there are steps

         8     that we can take.

         9               Would that be agreeable?

        10               MALE VOICE:  Thank you.

        11               MALE VOICE:  I'm Steve Oldridge.  I'm

        12     the sheriff of (inaudible) county in Florida.

        13     One of the things I wanted to talk to this

        14     group, as much as you, is about a program that

        15     we've got that really has worked out well with

        16     our U.S. Attorney.  It's called the MVP

        17     program.  It's got nothing to do with the most

        18     valuable player.

        19               It's about major (inaudible) program.

        20     And we entered in what we found was, that we're

        21     getting the same people and, again, that have

        22     long, long rap sheets that we don't have


         1     through our state, we have sentencing

         2     guidelines.  And you, in our state, can steal 9

         3     cars before you go off and qualify for prison.

         4               So we've entered into an agreement

         5     where we go with the U.S. Attorney.  We try to

         6     find a Federal hook on these folks.  And we try

         7     to limit it to a 100 in our community, real bad

         8     offenders, they're your repeat offenders.  They

         9     come back again and again.  And it's worked

        10     very well.

        11               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  I will tell

        12     Mr. Wal --

        13               MALE VOICE:  Patterson.

        14               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Patterson.

        15               MALE VOICE:  Mike.

        16               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  I will tell

        17     Mike.  And this is an example of what we're

        18     trying to do.  We're not taking these cases to

        19     get credit.

        20               MALE VOICE:  Right.

        21               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  It's a

        22     partnership.  The same thing is true in Boston.


         1     The U.S. Attorney and the local prosecutor will

         2     sit down, representatives from both their

         3     offices, go through all the gun or gang cases

         4     that come up from these certain areas.  You

         5     take this one, I take this one, you take this

         6     one, we'll do better with this one.  And it's a

         7     sharing.  But we've got to make sure that

         8     everybody is involved in the process so that it

         9     doesn't look like one's trying to put one up.

        10               And we have got to be careful too.

        11     Because if we come into court, into Federal

        12     Court with some little gun case, the judge is

        13     going to look at us and not take us seriously.

        14               So it's a balance.  And it's

        15     something that we can, I think, work together

        16     on.  I'd appreciate your -- any examples of

        17     this.  I will talk to Mike and make sure that

        18     we share with other U.S. Attorneys.

        19               But it really makes a difference.  We

        20     did it in Dade County.  We took three-time

        21     armed career criminals to the Federal Court all

        22     the time.  And it was nice to know that they


         1     were going away.

         2               MALE VOICE:  Amen.

         3               MALE VOICE:  Chief Gill Curley, in

         4     Maryland Heights, Missouri.  In the

         5     community-oriented policing program we take

         6     great pride in working in the school district,

         7     every school resource office, and so forth,

         8     working with the school.  And with your

         9     emphasis on juvenile crime, we think the

        10     juveniles -- one of the things we have found is

        11     that it's a sensitive issue.

        12               But when we're dealing with some

        13     special needs children that have behavior

        14     problems, or assaultive behavior in school,

        15     Missouri has enacted a pretty far-reaching new

        16     juvenile bill, sharing of information for

        17     prosecution of juveniles and adults and so

        18     forth.

        19               The schools are mandated, I

        20     understand, by some kind of federal law in the

        21     educational department.  And that prevents them

        22     from disciplining the behavior of students that


         1     fit into this special category.

         2               It will be very helpful to us if

         3     somebody can look into that and see if

         4     something can be done so that discipline can be

         5     maintained.  You talk about alternative

         6     schools, and these type of resources --

         7               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  We'll

         8     follow-up on that, because we have addressed

         9     the issue of sharing information of the Federal

        10     law that applies to something similar to the

        11     Department of Education.  But we'll follow-up

        12     on this as well.

        13               MALE VOICE:  Ms. Reno, I want to

        14     compliment -- (inaudible) Sheriff of

        15     (inaudible) Virginia.  The Fifth Circuit U.S.

        16     Attorney has been really helping.  Not only the

        17     U.S. Attorney, but the Federal Agency,

        18     (inaudible).

        19               I'd like to comment on this

        20     (inaudible) universal hiring.  We've been

        21     trying to get some information, and it looks we

        22     have to keep filling out the form.  They say


         1     the sheriff of the next level.

         2               You mind giving us an update on that?

         3               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Let me have

         4     somebody, because the best way to do it,

         5     Sheriff, is to have -- I'll get your name, and

         6     we'll have somebody follow-up with you right

         7     away and just see what the problem is.  You

         8     shouldn't have to be asking me where you stand.

         9     We try to make the COPS program just as

        10     responsive as we possibly can.  So we'll

        11     follow-up.

        12               MALE VOICE:  Yes.  My name is Ted

        13     Bursuel, and I'm with Bureau of Indian Affairs.

        14     And I wanted to publicly thank the Attorney

        15     General for her work for making the Indian

        16     criminal justice system just that much better.

        17     The Attorney General has done a lot for the

        18     Indian country.  There is still a lot that

        19     needs to be done.

        20               On the same lines, there's Chief

        21     Sanders of ICP, certainly it's allowed Indian

        22     countries to come into the two organizations,


         1     in fact, the four organizations.  We have an

         2     Indian affairs office.  And I am certainly

         3     grateful for that.  And, lastly, special thanks

         4     goes to Kevin DeGregory who's the Deputy

         5     Attorney General of the Criminal Division, for

         6     certainly going out of his way to make our

         7     lives easier out in the Indian country.

         8               We are a new jurisdiction.  Certain

         9     criminals do not respect jurisdictions.  And it

        10     just behooves us to all work together and

        11     (inaudible) that we're proud to be part of this

        12     organization.

        13               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Well, we

        14     appreciate all that you do.  Thank you very

        15     much.

        16               Could I turn the tables for just a

        17     minute and ask you on a continuing question.  I

        18     think Pat Sullivan will tell you yesterday, and

        19     I don't know whether he's still there, but some

        20     of the description from the very thoughtful new

        21     members of the subcommittees that participate

        22     in this juvenile crime legislation hearing


         1     talked about the proliferation of guns among

         2     young people.  And then when you ask young

         3     people why you have a gun, I need it for

         4     protection, and that you're seeing them in

         5     elementary schools.

         6               I would be very grateful if you will

         7     share with us programs that you believe are

         8     on-going in your local jurisdiction, programs

         9     that are successful in getting guns out of the

        10     hands of kids -- and the person, Kent -- who

        11     should be the clearinghouse for this.

        12               Kent Marcus, who is my counselor on

        13     youth violence, would be the person.  If you

        14     could just send it to the Department of

        15     Justice, call us, let us know through Bud or

        16     Dan.  It is so important that we are able to

        17     give to others examples of what's working.  And

        18     it's amazing how you put out one example of

        19     what's working, and how people want it, and the

        20     benefit that they get from it.

        21               So I would appreciate very much any

        22     suggestions you have.


         1               MALE VOICE:  Well, I'd like to

         2     mention that, just out of the way just a good

         3     bit.

         4               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Yes.

         5               MALE VOICE:  I'd like to mention two

         6     points that we discussed earlier just for your

         7     information.

         8               One, a while ago you were talking

         9     about the district attorneys, and they were

        10     asking for money and said that powers are

        11     taking care of, I believe officers on the

        12     street and corrections.  I suspect that was a

        13     construction bill that came out of the --

        14     construction money that came out of the crime

        15     bill.

        16               And the concern that we had about

        17     that construction money was that there was a

        18     maximum.  The money went to the states, and

        19     there was a maximum of 15 percent, a maximum to

        20     parishes and counties, which is not a whole lot

        21     of money.  And simply a little (inaudible) of

        22     correction.  And I know that administrations


         1     are supposed to provide grants.  I understand.

         2     But that's the way the money is coming down

         3     right now.

         4               That little change in technical

         5     correction might work from maximum to minimum.

         6     It might help.

         7                    (Laughter)

         8               It certainly affects not only

         9     sheriffs, but it affects chiefs and police

        10     officers because that's where we have the

        11     felony offenders that they arrest, and,

        12     obviously, the chief of police and the police

        13     officer arrest the felony offenders.

        14               Also the block grant money that came

        15     down that gave money to cities and parishes and

        16     counties based on part one violent crimes.

        17     They listed about seven categories that the

        18     money could be expended, and not one of those

        19     categories was corrections, which right now it,

        20     probably, if you ask the sheriffs what's your

        21     biggest problem, I think every one of us would

        22     say our jails.


         1               I know the crowd, the need for

         2     additional space, and you ask the chief of

         3     police, they will tell you the same thing, that

         4     we would want -- that they would want the

         5     sheriffs to have adequate bed space for those

         6     federal offenders that they arrest.  Those are

         7     the two critical points I have.

         8               ATTORNEY GENERAL RENO:  Well, let's

         9     follow up on those.  I think all of this is

        10     going to be in here next, don't you think,

        11     Kent, now.  And we need -- it's going to

        12     require close communication.  But I think it's

        13     going to be -- I hope.  I've got my fingers

        14     crossed.  It's going to be a different world

        15     this time -- a meeting over here, a meeting

        16     here.

        17               I think they're going to be

        18     thoughtful (inaudible) meetings, where we

        19     discuss it and try to the shape the best

        20     legislation possible.

        21               Thank you.

        22               MR. HATHAWAY:  We appreciate you


         1     coming very much.

         2                    (Applause)

         3                    (The Attorney General's Address

         4                    was concluded.)

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